| RodKnock |
05-31-2013 11:48 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by SunDude
(Post 1246614)
SPF and ERA are the closest/most direct competitors in today's market, IMO.
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This can be argued both ways.
I would argue that while all Cobra manufacturers compete against one another in some fashion, the ERA and SPF are NOT direct competitors, from at least this one angle: the ERA can be purchased and built by the home builder and also customized by ERA to fit a customer's needs. And, but for the square tube frame, the ERA more closely follows the original CSX3000 than an SPF. |
| JBCOBRA |
05-31-2013 12:10 PM |
I ordered my SPF in 2005. I feel like I got an excellent deal:rolleyes::3DSMILE:
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| fordracing65 |
05-31-2013 12:50 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by madmaxx
(Post 1246577)
You have just found the beauty and magic of Superformances!!!!!! The car for all practical purposes never changes, a 10 year old one looks identicle to a new one. Its not like one has anit-lock brakes, navigation etc. Same for Backdraft. Buy a Superformance and keep for 5 years and you will sell for a profit. Dont aske me how I know, LOL. The car does not change but the price increases every 12-18 months, before long a new one is 15-20K more than what you paid for one new.
I have made money on very new cobra I bought and driven it for years. This includes backdraft and superformance. Other builds do not enjoy this same return on investmnt because there are to many variables in the build. Superformance is like Rolex it is perceived to be the "best" by the first time buyers (in my opinion it was the best i ever had but cost more than BDR which is the best at their price point).
Everyone wants a 427 be it big or small block, everyone loves Roush, no comment, so if you build to sell one day build what sells now and you will be a happy seller.
Guess what, there is no law saying you cant MAKE money on a car you sell. The best selling combination right now and for 2-3 years has been a superformance with a roush 427. .
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If your paying $60,000 for a roller and putting $20,000 in engine, trans, etc your at $80,000, not in your wildest dreams are you selling that SPF for a profit, unless the buyer is on drugs...:JEKYLHYDE |
| RodKnock |
05-31-2013 02:40 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by madmaxx
(Post 1246577)
I have made money on very new cobra I bought and driven it for years.
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For those who don't know, madmaxx was employed as an accounting manager at Enron in the late 90's and early 2000's. :LOL:
OTOH, if he's even successful occasionally, at low-balling Cobra sellers, then I can see how he may be able to turn a profit:
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| Got the Bug |
05-31-2013 04:26 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmustang
(Post 1246566)
Doug,
Listed, but not sold, Mr B lists a ton of his rollers on Ebay, several years worth I might add, I have yet to see any legitimately sold by him there.
Bill S.
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Bill,
The eBay ad indicates that the car "sold for" $69,995. Where do you see that it was listed but not sold? |
| lippy |
05-31-2013 05:18 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by SunDude
(Post 1246614)
So now I'm curious: What is the current price for a brand new ERA Cobra replica in turnkey-minus form, equipped exactly like a base Superformance "roller"?
SPF and ERA are the closest/most direct competitors in today's market, IMO.
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A nicely equipped ERA in turnkey minus would be about $68-72k This is the price of the kit with several options plus $10k for them to assemble (guessing) plus about $9k for paint. |
| RodKnock |
05-31-2013 05:28 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by lippy
(Post 1246651)
A nicely equipped ERA in turnkey minus would be about $68-72k This is the price of the kit with several options plus $10k for them to assemble (guessing) plus about $9k for paint.
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A little clarification for me, the $68-72K quote does not include assembly and paint? |
| lippy |
05-31-2013 06:25 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by RodKnock
(Post 1246654)
A little clarification for me, the $68-72K quote does not include assembly and paint?
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It does include assembly and paint. Just no engine and trans. |
| blown871 |
05-31-2013 07:25 PM |
........so ERA or SPF.. looking at easy 80k and up to get in with it running?
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| lippy |
05-31-2013 07:34 PM |
Depends. If you want an FE, engine plus trans probably $15-25k. Small block less.
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| SunDude |
06-01-2013 10:50 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by lippy
(Post 1246651)
A nicely equipped ERA in turnkey minus would be about $68-72k This is the price of the kit with several options plus $10k for them to assemble (guessing) plus about $9k for paint.
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Thanks.
So, if TKM kits from two of the leading high-end 'glass Cobra replica manufacturers are in the $50-70K range, then the OP needs to adjust his reference points when it comes to brand-new rollers. The figures in his head are clearly out of date. |
| Rickd |
06-01-2013 12:26 PM |
That $62-68 K figure for a "turnkey minus" ERA seems a bit high. They offer A FULL TURNKEY 427 SC for $67,000 (390 FE motor - no top or side curtains - vinyl seats - bolt on wheels). Options are priced so it it pretty easy to have a good idea of what you would put into a turnkey minus.
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| lippy |
06-01-2013 12:45 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by RodKnock
(Post 1246654)
A little clarification for me, the $68-72K quote does not include assembly and paint?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rickd
(Post 1246758)
That $62-68 K figure for a "turnkey minus" ERA seems a bit high. They offer A FULL TURNKEY 427 SC for $67,000 (390 FE motor - no top or side curtains - vinyl seats - bolt on wheels). Options are priced so it it pretty easy to have a good idea of what you would put into a turnkey minus.
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I just bought an ERA. That price should be close. $67k is bare bones and may even be out of date. If you add a moderate number of options and a 428 or 427, it would add $15k easy, probably more. |
| patrickt |
06-01-2013 05:30 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by lippy
(Post 1246761)
I just bought an ERA. That price should be close. $67k is bare bones and may even be out of date. If you add a moderate number of options and a 428 or 427, it would add $15k easy, probably more.
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Agreed. Nicely built 100% by ERA, nicely customized to your liking with the good candy, and equipped with a 427 or 428, and you're getting to within spittin' distance of six figures. Not quite there yet, mind you... but very close, and the distance shortens every year. |
| RodKnock |
06-02-2013 08:44 AM |
So a nicely equipped SPF roller is around $60K and nicely equipped ERA roller is about $70K.
What is a nicely equipped BDR roller run for comparison sake?
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| itstock |
06-02-2013 09:43 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by RodKnock
(Post 1246874)
So a nicely equipped SPF roller is around $60K and nicely equipped ERA roller is about $70K.
What is a nicely equipped BDR roller run for comparison sake?
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under $45k will get you a very nicely equipped backdraft |
| Cashburn |
06-02-2013 11:14 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by rodknock
(Post 1246874)
so a nicely equipped spf roller is around $60k and nicely equipped era roller is about $70k.
What is a nicely equipped bdr roller run for comparison sake?
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$35,900 :3dsmile: |
| Kobura |
06-02-2013 01:41 PM |
My 2 South African Cents
For what effect it may have on current/future pricing of Superformance and Backdraft rollers, the South Aftican Rand is above 10 to the U$D versus about 8 Rand one year ago. Since the cars are "wholesaled" in South Africa, one would think that the profit margin is fairly stable and that retail/MSRP would remain unchanged under the current economic conditions.
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| Mark IV |
06-02-2013 02:45 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kobura
(Post 1246900)
For what effect it may have on current/future pricing of Superformance and Backdraft rollers, the South Aftican Rand is above 10 to the U$D versus about 8 Rand one year ago. Since the cars are "wholesaled" in South Africa, one would think that the profit margin is fairly stable and that retail/MSRP would remain unchanged under the current economic conditions.
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One might think so. One might also be aware that the price may have been held artificially low for some time to help sales during the biggest depression to impact disposable income since the 30's. Other costs such as shipping (big increases in recent times, fewer sailings, ships slowed down and containers loaded in Port Elizabeth delayed while the ships go to Durban to find more cargo). Also US sourced components and other major parts from outside vendors have gone up and in some cases the vendors have gone out of business.
Superformance not buying used parts and producing bespoke pieces designed for the car is another factor in the price equation. |
| Mark IV |
06-02-2013 02:52 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cashburn
(Post 1246892)
$35,900 :3dsmile:
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Fair enough Jay but let's make them more equal in equipment that SPF or ERA supply.
Please add the optional prices of:
Heater/Defroster
Limited slip differential
Wilwood or equivalent brakes
I will agree that BDR is still cheaper but not quite as much. I am sure there are numerous other differences, some that may be important to a buyer and some that may have no relevance to purchaser.
Final winner? The customer who buys what he likes and can afford, there is no wrong answer, just different answers to different questions. |
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