Speaking of tables.....

Ron, that makes it tough for the folks with COB and COX cars from the 60's. But what the heck, no one other than CSX 2 and CSX 3 owners were supposed to be reading any of this thread in the first place, yet it has come to my attention that others must have been doing so. How should they be properly punished?

They must sit and read every one of my almost 15,000 posts.:LOL:

Well not really.;) All original Cobra chassis were assigned their number by AC Cars Ltd. not SA. About 10% of the 998 Cobras produced never went to Shelby American. They were completed by AC Cars Ltd, with engines shipped to them by Ford, and sold to countries outside the USA.

And yes, owners of original Cobras accept those 10% as REAL, ORIGINAL, and GENUINE. ;)

I wonder if Kirkham and Shelby Component cars, AC MKIV's, Additional Angliss Production cars etc, being very similar in appearance to original cars, are listed in the Registry in order to lessen the chance of confusion for future buyers of original Cobras? Just a thought...

Of course, they are included in this discourse... as 'original and real.'

Would they then be considered "step children"


Bill S.


PS: Just kidding Ned ;)

Not sure why, but every time I read one of these threads, this chorus from one of my favorite songs pops into my head.........

"Maybe the good book
Came from the divine
Or maybe it was written
Just to keep us in line
The mistakes of the sages
Make the rules for the fools
So father forgive me
For bendin' the rules...."

Ouch!!

The explanation is not lame, misleading nor is it spewed but given in response to the question.

Yes, I agree that most "civilians" are inquiring if it is an "original" by asking if its "real". But as we "non-civilans" know the facts on the ground have changed since 1968. Again, SAAC and the Registry acknowledges and discuss this in detail.

If the question posed to me is.. "is that an original?" I always answer honestly and say "no, it's not an original, its a Continuation series Shebly Cobra." There are a fair number of people today that already know what that is but some don't admittedly don't.

If the question is, "is it real" which is a different question based on the facts today as much as many hate to admit it, the answer I give "yes, it is a Continuation series Shelby Cobra". The word "continuation" does not in any way sound like the word "original", it's spelling is not similar and in fact it's commonly understood meaning defines something other than original. That is self evident.

Why does the ignorance of "civilians" require Continuation Cobra owners to change or modify their factual answers to conform to the ignorance of the person asking the question so as to perpetuate the belief of the "civilian" that the Continuation Cobra is not a real Cobra? It doesn't.

So,... if a person asks me the question "is your Cobra real?" It's your position that the only truthful answer must be prefeced by the word "No" then I guess according to you I am then free to say " it is a Continuation series Cobra"? That would make alot of original owners happy I'm sure since that answer is then easily misconstrued by the "civilian" as you call them that it is then a "kit car or replica" as that word is now commonly understood which it is not according to SAAC and the Registry. See discussion and definitions in the World Registry.

No, you see what you suggest Continuation Cobra owners should be constrained to in answering the "is it real" quesiton is "lame" and unfair. The more accurate answer is "yes it is a real Cobra. Its a Continuation series Cobra"... I could add in exchange of this Yes it is real, however it is not an original series Cobra but a continuation series Cobra." This answer if fair and accurate.

Yes, AC stamped the serial numbers on the original chasis. What does "CSX" stand for again???? LOL.

The COB and COX cars were allowed to be called Cobras under agreement/license with Shelby, but for that they would not be Cobras either unless designated so by SAAC which they were. Ask Brian Angliss.

I agree that the Registry defines these cars and explains what they are in order to avoid confusion with the original cars and with "non Cobras" to in order to help protect future buyers. There have aleady been cases were the unscrupulous have tried to counterfit Continuation Cobras and pawn them off as such.

Patrick: Violence is not always the answer. Learn to accept the facts and the truth. LOL.

When you answer that way, you are misleading the listener.

It is sad that you feel compelled to explain your car with a footnote ...to people who have no idea what you are referring to.

As I said...self-serving.

Whatever makes you feel good, I guess. :cool:

Uhhh, since you did such a clear job of explaining that truth to me maybe you could tackle the bogomol'nyi bound for me now?:JEKYLHYDE

Imagine if you had to explain the difference every day, to every single person that asks? No thanks.

I've never been asked if my car was "original", only if it were "real". I have never answered yes, always answered it is a replica. If I had a continuation series, I would have no problem answering "yes" to "is that real?" But like you, I understand the difference of real/original.

The challenging question is; "What kind of car is that"?

I answer that as a replica of a 1965 Shelby 427 Cobra. "A what"? A Shelby Cobra. "insert response/cool car/nice ride etc".

You continuation series guys have it easy. :LOL:

I hate myself for contributing to this thread, again, but the Registry calls the CSX4000's "true replicas."

Now some CSX4000's are "more true" than other CSX4000 replicas, so I'd put Evan's CSX4000 in the category of "truest replicas." :LOL:

As Socrates said "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."

I'd be willing to settle on that. After all, it's summertime and the livin' is supposed to be easy....:p

Evan your replies remind me of this...:rolleyes:

Bill Clinton It Depends on what the meaning of the word is is - YouTube

I'm never sure why Brian Angliss, who came into the AC Cars equation many years after the last 60's-built Cobra was built, should be relied upon as a primary source of information about cars constructed by others long prior to his involvement. He has reconstructed a number of early cars, and he did build the AC MK.IV's, but he had nothing to do with Shelby or AC Cars in the 60's.

Let's ask him anyway, here's his telephone number: 1-800-WHO-CARES.

Patrick and I resolved it by using the new CSX4000 terminology: "True Replica."

Yep, and the fact that Evan is still researching the bogomol'nyi bound. Good luck on that.:LOL:

I agree of course with the definition as described by SAAC.

As for replicas, they ( the rest) are NOT replicas, they are KIT cars, just as the magazine, (if it's still published) is called, KIT CARS or something to that effect.

Boy, it's a good thing I'm not reading this thread.:LOL: