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Guess you'd have to go back and figure out if Allards, Facel-Vegas, Jensens, Sunbeam Tigers, Monteverdes, TVRs, and the like were considered "kit-cars." Quick answer - NO, they were not. A European car using an American V8 did not connote anything beyond a manufacturer choosing to source a power plant outside of what the manufacturer could supply internally.
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yep, some people turn this forum into personal attacks.
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They were rollers as received by SAI and production automobiles out of Carroll's shop/Ford's doors. :)
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Getting damn tired of personal shots for no particular damn reason. If someone doesn't like a thread...then stay the hell off of it. On the other hand...be nice to have a few days without some historical question concerning what the definition of this or that is that obviously will draw the flies. |
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No...they were never considered a kit car just as other chassis/engine combos never were. For crying out loud, Ace was using everyone else's motors before Shelby showed up. The 50s were also the breeding ground for specials and one-offs.
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The original Cobras were definitely not considered kit cars back in the mid 60s.
I don't think there was even a term ( kit car) back then. Today we might consider the Meyers Manx from that era (1964) a kit car. That is a component car that the owner assembled or had assembled. |
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Most original owners tell the story of having someone walk up to their 289 in 1965 and ask "Is it real????":eek:
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Hell, I was bending over fiddling with my engine at one of the Bash track days several years ago and somebody came up and asked me if they were looking at an original Jamo ass crack or a reproduction.
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If they were then it would be from the chebby crowd as they don't like to admit anything from Ford would kick the ass of just about any vette built back then.
In fact the day I drove my Cobra to visit my cousin [older guy in his late 60's] he looked at the car as started to blather. "If it were only an American made car it would have been the fastest car of its time". That is actually what he said. Chebby brainwashing runs deep. |
Bartruff, kit cars were becoming popular in the 50's. Even the late 40's, after WWII.The first kit car company was well before that I believe. Google, ForgottenFiberglass cool stuff.
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Here it is, 1912 Lad's Car. First US sold kit. http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMT...SsPm2/$_35.JPG Ralphy |
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Shelby did not manufacture any part of the Cobra. He assembled components purchased from others and shipped completed units to Ford dealers. Kit? Debatable. |
BS. It's not debatable, unless you have a hidden agenda in your back pocket. Oh, I forgot - you do! According to your logic, my '66 AC 289 would not be a kit car, because it was manufactured by the same company that built the chassis and body, while any Shelby Cobra would somehow fail your litmus test. What you forget is that, like Jamo suggested earlier, there were lots of factory "specials" back then. And if a company like Shelby American wanted to buy an existing automobile, such as the AC Ace, and make modifications - including a larger engine - they did so. This usually involved renaming the resulting creation. By your (il-)logic, given the fact that Shelby American did not manufacture the Mustang, I guess you would argue that the Shelby GT-350/ GT 500 is also a kit-car.
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...and with that, ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our programming for the evening.
Drive safely. |
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