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fordracing65 05-18-2015 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by David Kirkham (Post 1348987)
That's actually the original stance. We tweak our rake because I think it looks better with the front lower and the rear a bit higher.

David
:):):)

Thanks, looks great either way...what stance, rake, is best for street performance, is it the way you set up the Kirkham's...

maurice19 05-18-2015 07:11 PM

David,

I`m sure glad to see you active on the forums again.

Your first hand insight is always appreciated, and the car looks great.

Maurice #318

Al G 05-18-2015 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by David Kirkham (Post 1348988)
I've been interviewed enough times to understand what I say is pretty much 180 degrees from what is printed.

As I mentioned I really don't think Bill nor Joe would intentionally deceive anyone. It's just not in their nature.

David
:):):)

David - it is your statements that I was referring to. But it appears someone is intentionally or unintentionally allow the other claim to continue.

Dominik 05-18-2015 11:04 PM

I wonder if Jaguar also went through this "Spanish Inquisition" in a forum when they announced building the other Coupes ;-)

1ntCobra 05-19-2015 10:38 AM

Has any pricing been announced yet?

It would be interesting to see how that plays into this discussion. When the completion cars first came around, they were 500K. Presumably they will be more now. But how much? Lets just take a wild guess and say 1M this time. What is that in relation to the price of buying an original SC? If the price is similar, why not just buy an original instead?

1ntCobra 05-19-2015 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 1348950)
I think I remember reading an article 15 years ago or so, that stated that you copied the frame of your street car, csx3106 or something like that. So it was really McClusky's frame. You sly dog you. Are you and McClusky still friends?

Of course, more recently McClusky lent David a Daytona Coupe frame and body so that the Kirkhams could start building coupes too.

1ntCobra 05-19-2015 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by David Kirkham (Post 1348982)
Great link! Like I said...I have been too busy to even follow what happened after it left here.

Not my favorite color of blue...but it is Guardsman Blue. It is what they were back in the day and I do like the color for that reason. Mike always cheats the color a bit and makes it a bit more blue and less green. He does fabulous work.

David
:):):)

Oh man, it Guardsman Blue, but it is not really Guardsman Blue. How can this be so accurate, but not so accurate? :JEKYLHYDE :rolleyes:

David Kirkham 05-19-2015 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 1ntCobra (Post 1349053)
Of course, more recently McCluskey lent David a Daytona Coupe frame and body so that the Kirkhams could start building coupes too.

Mike has been a true friend for a long, long time :)

David
:):):)

RodKnock 05-19-2015 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 1ntCobra (Post 1349052)
Has any pricing been announced yet?

It would be interesting to see how that plays into this discussion. When the completion cars first came around, they were 500K. Presumably they will be more now. But how much? Lets just take a wild guess and say 1M this time. What is that in relation to the price of buying an original SC? If the price is similar, why not just buy an original instead?

I think the argument here is that when you're very wealthy and you can buy virtually whatever you want, price is unimportant. The cars can't be driven on public roads, so people will just buy it and let it sit or hang somewhere.

Also, I doubt pricing can be announced, because each car will likely be different in terms of the very rare and expensive OEM parts. As the OEM parts inventory dwindles and more repro parts are utilized, theoretically, the cars should become cheaper. However, I'd expect price increases over time, just because the cost of labor and materials increase.

Bernica 05-19-2015 11:10 AM

Maybe send one through the right auction house with a reserve and see what the market will say?

rodneym 05-19-2015 11:16 AM

Rod,
You're too hung up on "can't be driven on public roads".
I've seen my fair share of race cars on the streets, even in CA.
I'm not saying it could be done legally...

David Kirkham 05-19-2015 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1349057)
I think the argument here is that when you're very wealthy and you can buy virtually whatever you want, price is unimportant. The cars can't be driven on public roads, so people will just buy it and let it sit or hang somewhere.

Also, I doubt pricing can be announced, because each car will likely be different in terms of the very rare and expensive OEM parts. As the OEM parts inventory dwindles and more repro parts are utilized, theoretically, the cars should become cheaper. However, I'd expect price increases over time, just because the cost of labor and materials increase.

Though I really don't know (I haven't asked Bill or Joe pricing) I suspect we have a winner. It wouldn't surprise me if they were sold privately.

David
:):):)

RodKnock 05-19-2015 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rodneym (Post 1349059)
Rod,
You're too hung up on "can't be driven on public roads".
I've seen my fair share of race cars on the streets, even in CA.
I'm not saying it could be done legally...

Yep, you're correct. Anyone that drives an uninsured unregistered vehicle on a public road is a moron.

There are people who think I do some nutty stuff, but it's legal and I can't hurt others. :)

I guess I'm a law abiding citizen and worry about the ramifications of liability, if one were to hit someone or something, since insurance would only cover driving on non-public roads. And then there's always potential confiscation and/or penalties, court time, etc., if caught.

rodneym 05-19-2015 11:59 AM

Rod,
It's my belief that a couple of these Cobras will be falsely registered and underinsured. But they're wealthy, so who cares? They don't, and I don't.
And speaking of liability...If a wealthy person in a falsely registered, underinsured (likely to have legal issues with a claim) race car hits you, you'd have a nice settlement.

Bernica 05-19-2015 12:15 PM

I have personally seen guys drive their full race cars all over the place on public roads at the Pebble Beach Concours. And I mean P1 LeMans cars and the likes. During that weekend, it seems that the cops just sort of look the other way. Yes, those owners could care less...

I agree that for the average Joe, the liability of driving something built for race only and unregistered on the road leaves you wide open to losing everything.
Any insurance you might have would simply tell you that you're on your own.

And in an accident, you would be facing gross negligence of motor vehicle code, among probably many other bad things including possible loss of the vehicle. And God forbid you hurt someone!:eek:

RodKnock 05-19-2015 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rodneym (Post 1349064)
It's my belief that a couple of these Cobras will be falsely registered and underinsured. But they're wealthy, so who cares? They don't, and I don't.

I care. We have laws for a reason. And with social media and cell phone cameras, these wealthy people with their falsely registered and underinsured "Resurrection" Cobras will be all over the Internet and exposed for their stupidity. Or at least I hope.

Not that it had anything to do with insurance liability, but Paul Walker died in a crash as a passenger in a Porsche Carrera GT. These Cobras are stupid fast and bad things can happen to stupid people in stupid fast cars. It doesn't make alot of sense to me.

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Originally Posted by rodneym (Post 1349064)
And speaking of liability...If a wealthy person in a falsely registered, underinsured (likely to have legal issues with a claim) race car hits you, you'd have a nice settlement.

Maybe, but I'd prefer NOT to be a wealthy quadriplegic. I'd rather be me and healthy. :D

rodneym 05-19-2015 12:52 PM

Rod,
Who are we kidding? Our Cobras are at least every bit a race car as these coming down the pike.
It is us, through SB100, who are the benificiaries. If I bought a Resurrection Cobra and couldn't register it, I'd be pissed, and with good reason.
We can drive ours. A Resurrection owner can't. Same car. And you're up in arms?

Phill Pollard 05-19-2015 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ntCobra (Post 1349053)
Of course, more recently McClusky lent David a Daytona Coupe frame and body so that the Kirkhams could start building coupes too.

Is this the same Mike McClusky we used to race Quarter Midgets with, out of Baylands in San Jose CA?

I lost touch with him a few years ago after dropping off of the QMA.com web forums. Does anyone know how I can contact him (if it is indeed, him)?


TIA,
Phill

Phill Pollard 05-19-2015 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bernica (Post 1349065)
I have personally seen guys drive their full race cars all over the place on public roads at the Pebble Beach Concours. And I mean P1 LeMans cars and the likes. During that weekend, it seems that the cops just sort of look the other way. Yes, those owners could care less...


FWIW, Pebble Beach is all privately owned, including the roads. That's why the cops don't mess with you during the Concours within the gates of Pebble.

Drive out the gate to Carmel or PG and watch the local's go nuts with a ticket book!


Phill

RodKnock 05-19-2015 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rodneym (Post 1349068)
Rod,
Who are we kidding? Our Cobras are at least every bit a race car as these coming down the pike.
It is us, through SB100, who are the benificiaries. If I bought a Resurrection Cobra and couldn't register it, I'd be pissed, and with good reason.
We can drive ours. A Resurrection owner can't. Same car. And you're up in arms?

But mine is registered, legal, fully insured and I also don't drive it. The best of all worlds. :LOL:

Yes, the two cars (our Kirkham's and the "Resurrection" Shelby Cobra) are roughly in the same ball park, though with twin Paxton's, your Kirkham is on a different Kirkham "plane" than my basic "nuts and bolts" Kirkham. But we're legal, fully insured and registered. Not sure what your point is.

I just think, if the very wealthy owner of a "Resurrection" Cobra wants to take the risk of driving his or her illegal, unregistered, uninsured uber expensive car on a public road, then maybe he or she might be willing to take additional risks (e.g., excessive speed, burnouts, donuts, side shows :LOL:), that you or I wouldn't.

Anyway, I'm not "up in arms." As I said earlier, I'd be at least mildly upset, if I were an owner of a 1960's CSX. And it seems that Evan, as an owner of one of the finest CSX4000's on the planet, is at least "tweaked" about Shelby calling them "completion" Cobras and giving them the designation of CSX 3000's. Me, I'm OK. :)


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