Continuation Cobras & SAAC

[Nedsel]

Tony, the simple fact is that one of the points in the legal battle brought by Shelby against SAAC was his desire to take over the Registry. SAAC fought hard to prevent that from happening. Today, it is SAAC's position that they prefer to be an organization dedicated to the historic Shelbys of the 60's and early 70's, while ceding to the modern Shelby organization control of anything having to do with the later production cars.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Today, it is SAAC's position that they prefer to be an organization dedicated to the historic Shelbys of the 60's and early 70's, while ceding to the modern Shelby organization control of anything having to do with the later production cars.

Hey Evan, uh, "SAAC's position." Huh. That doesn't sound like just Ned's position.

Can you please pass the white-out tape, or maybe they'll just use the backspace button a few thousand times. "Edit cut" works too.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

... Today, it is SAAC's position that they prefer to be an organization dedicated to the historic Shelbys of the 60's and early 70's, while ceding to the modern Shelby organization control of anything having to do with the later production cars.

Ergo, SAAC's preference would be to separate the wheat from the chaff, I'm good with that

[Thor maine]

Yep it is official a 1/3 authentic Shelby Cobra replica kit car,,, continuation. AC cars of today does use the COB and COX serial numbers, I guess they are 1/3 authentic ????

[Joe's Garage]

Hum? Arrogant Touchy Twit?
Has a ring to it, rolls of the tongue nicely, fits well - that's a keeper!

[olddog]

Ok I admit I am an ignorant red neck hillbilly and legal words and mumbo jumbo confuse and confound me. So do not try to dice my words too carefully.

So back in the 1960's a company of some type, that was owned or controlled by Mr Shelby, existed. I think the name was Shelby American. They completed the assembly of a car by putting a Ford drive train into a British car. Then the cars were sold at Ford dealerships - at least some were, right?

By the 1970's these cars were no longer made. Question: Did that company (that final assembled these cars) continue to exist? If so, did it do something else or did it only exist on paper?

Sometime later Shelby sold turn key minus cars that resembled the 1960's cars. Is this company the same exact company from the 1960's or is it a different company?

[LMH]

I can't believe we have four currently active threads basically about the same topic!
Larry

[Joe's Garage]

Check this out ...

Super Precision Gyroscope Specifications
• 12,000 revolutions per minute
• Computer balanced to 250th of a gram
• 7 minute 'Spin time' without motor

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I have one and it is cool as hell!

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Check this out ...

Super Precision Gyroscope Specifications
• 12,000 revolutions per minute
• Computer balanced to 250th of a gram
• 7 minute 'Spin time' without motor

Gyroscope.com



I have one and it is cool as hell!

But is it genuine or real?

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by jhv48

But is it genuine or real?

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

It is a genuine real Gyroscope made using better materials and design from a different company that is 100% faithful to the original gyroscope below, much like the CSX4000/6000 is to the '60s Cobra.

[olddog]

So Chrysler sold a Dodge Challenger in 1970. For a decade or two, no cars were sold with the Challenger name. In the mean time, Chrysler was nearly bankrupt and bailed out by the government a couple times. It was restructured and sold to the Germans for a while. Today they sell a Dodge Challenger that looks very much like the 1970 model. Even though it looks like it, I do not think they share a common dimension or part.

If anyone asked, a present day owner, "is that a real 1970 Challenger," obviously the correct answer is NO.

If anyone asked, a present day owner, "is that a real Challenger," certainly the owner could truthfully answer YES.

However to my knowledge no one is selling replicas of the 1970 Challenger. Assume there were replicas of the 1970 Challenger made by dozens of manufactures for decades, but they were still very rare to see, because the total numbers made we so few. Let's assume that the 1970 Dodge Challenger is an extremely rare highly regarded Icon, and that millions of people dream of seeing an original.

Now when a person asks "is that a real Challenger," is the missing 1970 implied? Of course the missing 1970 is implied. In this case, to answer yes may be technically correct. It may be legally correct. To answer yes without clarifying the difference is misleading. Now you can justify that by blaming the questioner for not being more specific, and it is true. They should have been more specific. However, to knowingly answer a question, in a way that causes a person to believe something that is untrue, is immoral.

It is a sleazy, underhanded, low-life thing to do. Attorneys, advertisers, and politicians (let's call them elites) practice this all the time. They spend hours trying to figure a way to wiggle and twist words to purposely dupe someone into believing an untruth. That is why normal people (the ignorant masses to the elites) hate them so much.

Yes, the continuation Cobra sold by Shelby is a real Shelby Cobra, but it has little to do with the original Cobra that was sold in the 1960's.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by olddog

Yes, the continuation Cobra sold by Shelby is a real Shelby Cobra, but it has little to do with the original Cobra that was sold in the 1960's.

This is so true. And anyone who has the IQ of an orange is going to do his/her homework and know the difference. Anyone who successfully passes off a CSX4000 fiberglass car as a "million dollar original cobra made in 196x (footnote 1)" is a con artist and we all know it. And so far, I see none of that happening here. With or without the registry, in the end, people who car know what is what.

1. And don't give me any crap about what the selling price of the McCluskey or new resumption cars is. They sell for market value and once again, anyone who is breathing knows what they are buying.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

This is so true. And anyone who has the IQ of an orange is going to do his/her homework and know the difference. Anyone who successfully passes off a CSX4000 fiberglass car as a "million dollar original cobra made in 196x (footnote 1)" is a con artist and we all know it. And so far, I see none of that happening here. With or without the registry, in the end, people who car know what is what.

1. And don't give me any crap about what the selling price of the McCluskey or new resumption cars is. They sell for market value and once again, anyone who is breathing knows what they are buying.

Tony: Good post, again. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of "oranges" around here.

Your posts are some of the few I bother to stop and read while skipping over on a routine basis the other flotsam and jetsam.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Tony: Good post, again. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of "oranges" around here.

Your posts are some of the few I bother to stop and read while skipping over on a routine basis the other flotsam and jetsam.

You two should get a room.

You guys can continue to play grab-ass all you want, but the modern Shelby Cobra is a REPLICA. The ONLY REAL GENUINE COBRAS were made during the 1962-1967 time frame by the original Shelby American company and sold as brand new complete cars that you could register with the dealership and drive off the lot with a warranty.

Built 50 years later by a different company, different materials and can't make Federal safety and emissions standards. REPLICA! CLONE! Dolly The Sheep.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by olddog

So Chrysler sold a Dodge Challenger in 1970. For a decade or two, no cars were sold with the Challenger name. In the mean time, Chrysler was nearly bankrupt and bailed out by the government a couple times. It was restructured and sold to the Germans for a while. Today they sell a Dodge Challenger that looks very much like the 1970 model. Even though it looks like it, I do not think they share a common dimension or part.

If anyone asked, a present day owner, "is that a real 1970 Challenger," obviously the correct answer is NO.

If anyone asked, a present day owner, "is that a real Challenger," certainly the owner could truthfully answer YES.

However to my knowledge no one is selling replicas of the 1970 Challenger. Assume there were replicas of the 1970 Challenger made by dozens of manufactures for decades, but they were still very rare to see, because the total numbers made we so few. Let's assume that the 1970 Dodge Challenger is an extremely rare highly regarded Icon, and that millions of people dream of seeing an original.

Now when a person asks "is that a real Challenger," is the missing 1970 implied? Of course the missing 1970 is implied. In this case, to answer yes may be technically correct. It may be legally correct. To answer yes without clarifying the difference is misleading. Now you can justify that by blaming the questioner for not being more specific, and it is true. They should have been more specific. However, to knowingly answer a question, in a way that causes a person to believe something that is untrue, is immoral.

It is a sleazy, underhanded, low-life thing to do. Attorneys, advertisers, and politicians (let's call them elites) practice this all the time. They spend hours trying to figure a way to wiggle and twist words to purposely dupe someone into believing an untruth. That is why normal people (the ignorant masses to the elites) hate them so much.

Yes, the continuation Cobra sold by Shelby is a real Shelby Cobra, but it has little to do with the original Cobra that was sold in the 1960's.

A new Dodge Challenger can be sold as a new complete running registerable vehicle with a new car warranty and looks much different than the original 1970 Challenger. It's not a replica. Obviously a modern Shelby Cobra replica tries to clone the original, but cannot be sold as a turnkey new vehicle. And doesn't meet Federal safety and emissions standards.

Apples and oranges. It still is a replica, the Registry refers to it as "Cobra-like" and a "true replica" and the SAAC Cobra Registar is on record saying its replica. Sell the BS elsewhere.

[olddog]

PS:
I hate to lump all Attorneys into the general group of elites, but then again not all politicians and advertiser belong painted with that broad brush either. But it makes a point.

[Paul F]

Jay Leno's Garage, Season 1, Episode 1. Aired on the seventh of October, 2015.

Scene - Jay visits Tim Allen in Detroit to see his car collection. Jay and Tim enter Tim's garage. They walk up to a car that looks like a Cobra.

Jay - "That's a real Cobra"
Tim - "Its a real Cobra".

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by Paul F

Jay Leno's Garage, Season 1, Episode 1. Aired on the seventh of October, 2015.

Scene - Jay visits Tim Allen in Detroit to see his car collection. Jay and Tim enter Tim's garage. They walk up to a car that looks like a Cobra.

Jay - "That's a real Cobra"
Tim - "Its a real Cobra".

Well, now that clears up everything!

[Joe's Garage]

In other words, for the pedestrian who passes by that remembers the '60s Cobra but does not follow the hobby - it's ok to be a con artist that is FOS. Nicely done boys, glad to see you finally came clean or your intentions.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

In other words, for the pedestrian who passes by that remembers the '60s Cobra but does not follow the hobby - it's ok to be a con artist that is FOS. Nicely done boys, glad to see you finally came clean or your intentions.

You are assuming that anyone who owns a Cobra represents it as an original Shelby built in 1965? Sure there may be people who do that but I think you'd find that most of us tell it like it is. Noone who ever asked me left with any different impression. Well, OK, there was the drunk at the store once who I told it was a martian spacecraft.