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09-16-2016, 07:23 AM
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cobra body
  Anybody know what body this is? Guy that has it said the mold came from Pheonix. Thanks |
09-16-2016, 08:16 AM
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There's not enough detail in those photos for people to even begin. Do you have photos of the under-hood detail, foot wells (cockpit and engine compartment), cockpit rear-bulkhead, and trunk? Am I reading the photo correctly in that there's no frame, just tires & wheels tucked under the body?
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09-16-2016, 08:27 AM
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You need to flip it over and take some shots of the underside
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09-16-2016, 08:42 AM
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It is just a body trunk skin door skins and hood. The pictures are only ones provided of body after it came out of mold. The guy said the mold came with body in it and had sat in a warehouse in Pheonix from mid 90's. He couldn't provide anything else.
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09-16-2016, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by feadam
It is just a body trunk skin door skins and hood. The pictures are only ones provided of body after it came out of mold. The guy said the mold came with body in it and had sat in a warehouse in Pheonix from mid 90's. He couldn't provide anything else.
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Could be anything, including a home build/mold. Given the parting line on the nose/fender, I'm going with that, or a very early, discarded mold from CMC, as they sold 8 molds for cheap back in the mid 90's
Tell you friend to cut it in half and sell it as wall art, that is all anything out of that mold will be good for
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09-16-2016, 09:28 AM
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Was cmc a Pheonix based company and were the body's pretty accurate to an original
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09-16-2016, 10:22 AM
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Was cmc a Pheonix based company and were the body's pretty accurate to an original
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No & no
The only thing that body and that mold are good for is wall art.
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09-16-2016, 01:31 PM
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Build a racer using that body. Why cut it up as "wall art"?
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09-23-2016, 02:11 PM
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A race-car isn't a bad idea, IMHO!
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Build a racer using that body. Why cut it up as "wall art"?
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Just curious...to whom would we refer the OP if he wanted someone to build a frame for just that purpose...I know there is Mr. Bruce, but aren't there other sources for chassis without the bodies (no disrespect for Mr. Bruce intended, I'm just curious about other sources, too)?
In the past various companies would sell chassis plans...the Kelmark GT (a "Dino replica"...sort of...  ) comes to mind, which was originally designed to fit a shortened VW floorpan, but when built with the "Olds Toronado" powertrain required a purpose built frame...Kelmark sold plans for those frames.
Seems such a shame to see it sit unused...or even cut up for wall art...if it could be built and make someone happy who does not share our passion/quest for detail, proportions and originality. Keep in mind that the first Arntz Cobra replicas I ever saw were made to be built on a VW chassis (yeah, I know...that's WAAAAAY back in the late '60s/early '70s and we've come a long way since then).
Cheers!
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09-23-2016, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by YerDugliness
Just curious...to whom would we refer the OP if he wanted someone to build a frame for just that purpose...I know there is Mr. Bruce, but aren't there other sources for chassis without the bodies (no disrespect for Mr. Bruce intended, I'm just curious about other sources, too)?
In the past various companies would sell chassis plans...the Kelmark GT (a "Dino replica"...sort of... ) comes to mind, which was originally designed to fit a shortened VW floorpan, but when built with the "Olds Toronado" powertrain required a purpose built frame...Kelmark sold plans for those frames.
Seems such a shame to see it sit unused...or even cut up for wall art...if it could be built and make someone happy who does not share our passion/quest for detail, proportions and originality. Keep in mind that the first Arntz Cobra replicas I ever saw were made to be built on a VW chassis (yeah, I know...that's WAAAAAY back in the late '60s/early '70s and we've come a long way since then).
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I'd speak with the Art Morrison folks to build a "track day" chassis for it, and have a ball with it.
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09-16-2016, 07:39 PM
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Might be early unique or North American fiberglass (NAF)
Front wheel arches look like MGB Front Suspension ?
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09-17-2016, 03:43 PM
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Might be early unique or North American fiberglass (NAF)
Front wheel arches look like MGB Front Suspension ?
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Tom,
There is no chassis, only the raw body with a few wheels stuffed under it for effect 
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09-17-2016, 01:27 AM
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So is NAF accurate to original, 90 inch wheel base, shape, wheel arches? If so what car, csx car was shape taken from?
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09-17-2016, 06:37 AM
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So is NAF accurate to original, 90 inch wheel base, shape, wheel arches?
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That body was not splashed from a CSX 
That is also not a NAF 
But if you would like to call them to confirm, try 844-222-6272
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09-17-2016, 11:04 AM
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Jack, of NAF, died a few years ago. His widow did sell off his molds and the body he was making for me. Another Phx builder from the early 90s, and before, was Hi Tech. They made some glass bodies as well as the aluminum ones. Also long gone.
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09-17-2016, 11:53 AM
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Jack, of NAF, died a few years ago. His widow did sell off his molds and the body he was making for me. Another Phx builder from the early 90s, and before, was Hi Tech. They made some glass bodies as well as the aluminum ones. Also long gone.
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Not a Hi Tech body either, and the NAF body does not have as pronounced a front or rear fender as the OP's body does.
Might I also add, this body is a grossly extended wheelbase 
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09-24-2016, 08:35 PM
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Not a Hi Tech body either, and the NAF body does not have as pronounced a front or rear fender as the OP's body does.
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Wrong. In the picture below, an exact trace of the body lines from the mystery body has been overlaid on the known NAF replica. The line image was placed over the photo, rotated and constrain scaled (proportions unchanged) to fit over the NAF. Given that the photos were taken from slightly different heights and angles, it is a very close match. The wheel opening shapes and the front and rear wheel arches are bang on. If we fail to agree on that, at least we can agree that the body in question is NOT a "grossly extended wheelbase."
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09-17-2016, 11:57 AM
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http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/pict...ictureid=15744 Guy measured mold and said it's 90 inch also said he will call person he got it from but the company was just initials doesn't remember if NAF was it.
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09-17-2016, 12:17 PM
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Okay, so assuming this is a 90" wheelbase body and the shape is acceptable for your purposes (I'm sure both statements would be debatable on this forum  ). So, what would be your plans for it? Do you or the seller have a chassis available for this body? Are you capable and willing to build one from scratch if necessary to fit this body? Do you have any more information with this body on where to procure all the parts needed to complete this body? Hinges, latches, cockpit and trunk tubs, inner fender wells, foot boxes, etc....
Just curious where this is going and what your plan is. Buying a pig in a poke if you don't have a pretty good plan on how to get from here to there, IMHO. (don't ask me how I know this)
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09-17-2016, 02:44 PM
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It is certainly not a hi-tech. thinking about it it could be a knock off of a Arntz body
Because Arntz used MGB front and suspension and with wheel adapters the scrub angle was so far out at the wheel move forward and back a couple inches.
It might be a Copper State cobra body that's from the mid-80s
I had bought some cobra stuff from a guy by the name of Bill Closes I think was his name.
Bill said he started unique cobra and then sold it and he was having North American fire glass make the bodies for him before he sold unique.
At least that's what I can remember if I'm wrong I apologize.
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