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Bill D 03-08-2017 05:27 PM
289 FIA Exhaust
 
What was the exhaust pipe size and the header collector size?

LMH 03-08-2017 08:26 PM
I think side pipes are 2.5" but the comp cars are not my specialty. The headers were Belanger I'd bet!
Larry

Tom Kirkham 03-09-2017 09:22 AM
Wilson Headers has all of the original FIA header tooling.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wilso...63325070361789

1985 CCX 03-09-2017 09:26 AM
They were Belanger, gave my original set away for replication. That friendship dissolved and thus no way to measure.

Tom, glad they are making as it keeps it legit in the replication of these parts.

1795 03-09-2017 09:30 AM
Jeff,

What are you using on this car, and how are they set up?

Jim

LMH 03-09-2017 10:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1985 CCX (Post 1417683)
They were Belanger, gave my original set away for replication. That friendship dissolved and thus no way to measure.

Tom, glad they are making as it keeps it legit in the replication of these parts.
Oh man! Friendship or not, those should be returned to you! Original parts are like jewelry!
Larry

1985 CCX 03-09-2017 01:35 PM
Problem is he thinks possession 9/10ths of the law.... %/

Mark IV 03-09-2017 02:59 PM
Jeff,

Karma will find him.

Jim has the SPF factory headers to start with and depending on how they work he can duplicate them in larger diameter or go with the Wilson units.

Antny 03-10-2017 05:06 AM
Sorry to hijack, but is there a source for an underbody exhaust system for a SPF s/c with a 351W?

moore_rb 03-10-2017 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by LMH (Post 1417642)
I think side pipes are 2.5" but the comp cars are not my specialty. The headers were Belanger I'd bet!
Larry
By and large, most of the USRRC cars, the 5 FIA cars, and the earlier Sebring comp cars all had 3" main pipes, with 3.5" fake muffler cases.

I say "by and large" because there was so much variation in the sidepipe design and layout, from car to car.

Looking at vintage photos of the 289 comp cars, I see some that look like they just had 3 inch straight pipes, and then there's CSX2557, which had an early variant of the 2 into into one collectors, with dual sidepipes, that were eventually used on the Daytona Coupes

When I was re-doing my car's sidepipes, I found this diagram which helped me a lot. I can't remember where I downloaded it from, so I don't know who to give proper credit to, but it is a great sketch:

Attachment 29885

I think this drawing was taken from the pipes on CSX2345.

I ended up basing my pipes on these two old photos. I liked how the pipes tucked up under the rockers (no snake bites for the kids :))

Attachment 29886
Attachment 29887

Jeff definitely knows more about the original header design than I do - Listen to him :cool:

LMH 03-10-2017 07:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by moore_rb (Post 1417751)
By and large, most of the USRRC cars, the 5 FIA cars, and the earlier Sebring comp cars all had 3" main pipes, with 3.5" fake muffler cases.

I say "by and large" because there was so much variation in the sidepipe design and layout, from car to car.

Looking at vintage photos of the 289 comp cars, I see some that look like they just had 3 inch straight pipes, and then there's CSX2557, which had an early variant of the 2 into into one collectors, with dual sidepipes, that were eventually used on the Daytona Coupes

When I was re-doing my car's sidepipes, I found this diagram which helped me a lot. I can't remember where I downloaded it from, so I don't know who to give proper credit to, but it is a great sketch:

Attachment 29885

I think this drawing was taken from the pipes on CSX2345.

I ended up basing my pipes on these two old photos. I liked how the pipes tucked up under the rockers (no snake bites for the kids :))

Attachment 29886
Attachment 29887

Jeff definitely knows more about the original header design than I do - Listen to him :cool:
Good info!
Didn't one of the USRRC cars have dual tips on the exhaust pipes?
Thought it was pretty neat looking.
Larry

*13* 03-10-2017 10:21 AM
I keep thinking I should give my pipes a white coat. Would be fun for a bit. Check out the whitewalls on that jAG!

Quote:
Originally Posted by moore_rb (Post 1417751)
By and large, most of the USRRC cars, the 5 FIA cars, and the earlier Sebring comp cars all had 3" main pipes, with 3.5" fake muffler cases.

I say "by and large" because there was so much variation in the sidepipe design and layout, from car to car.

Looking at vintage photos of the 289 comp cars, I see some that look like they just had 3 inch straight pipes, and then there's CSX2557, which had an early variant of the 2 into into one collectors, with dual sidepipes, that were eventually used on the Daytona Coupes

When I was re-doing my car's sidepipes, I found this diagram which helped me a lot. I can't remember where I downloaded it from, so I don't know who to give proper credit to, but it is a great sketch:

Attachment 29885

I think this drawing was taken from the pipes on CSX2345.

I ended up basing my pipes on these two old photos. I liked how the pipes tucked up under the rockers (no snake bites for the kids :))

Attachment 29886
Attachment 29887

Jeff definitely knows more about the original header design than I do - Listen to him :cool:

moore_rb 03-10-2017 10:50 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LMH (Post 1417756)
Good info!
Didn't one of the USRRC cars have dual tips on the exhaust pipes?
Thought it was pretty neat looking.
Larry
Yeah, CSX2557 had (and still has :)) dual pipes on each side-

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7234/...bf9e61a9_z.jpg

http://s3.amazonaws.com/scardigest/w...er-Exhaust.jpg


Quote:
Originally Posted by *13* (Post 1417771)
I keep thinking I should give my pipes a white coat. Would be fun for a bit. Check out the whitewalls on that jAG!
HAH ! I've looked at that picture numerous times, and never noticed the E-Type. Those tires are cool... :cool:


If you decide to go white on your pipes, and if you use the VHT paint, I will recommend that you pay careful attention to the initial curing process laid out on the can. I didn't read that part, and now I have some flaking going in up in the front section (the muffler, and the rear section are still nice and solid). I'll be sanding, and re-spraying mine real soon......:

Attachment 29889

1795 03-10-2017 11:17 AM
Ido like the look of white and am definitely considering painting my pipes white.

lovehamr 03-10-2017 12:05 PM
I had one of my BDR's done in white by a ceramic coater in Jax Fl. Looked great and I never had an issue with them.

66gtk 03-10-2017 01:27 PM
White pipes look great, but I had a nightmare experience with white VHT this past fall. Followed directions to the letter with clean proper sandblasted prep. First attempt failed when heat cycled. Second attempt failed as well. Sent back an entire case to VHT. Ended up with el cheapo Rustoleum BBQ paint (white) and worked WAY better. Still some discoloration from the heat at the collectors, but didn't flake off like the VHT did. I'll never use that VHT stuff again.

moore_rb 03-10-2017 02:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 66gtk (Post 1417789)
White pipes look great, but I had a nightmare experience with white VHT this past fall. Followed directions to the letter with clean proper sandblasted prep. First attempt failed when heat cycled. Second attempt failed as well. Sent back an entire case to VHT. Ended up with el cheapo Rustoleum BBQ paint (white) and worked WAY better. Still some discoloration from the heat at the collectors, but didn't flake off like the VHT did. I'll never use that VHT stuff again.
That's great info, Troy !

My muffler-less track pipes are painted with the el-cheapo white rustoleum BBQ paint too, and the only affect on them has been a slight tan discoloration, but the paint has adhered well, and isn't flaking off, either.

But when I decided to paint my muffler'd pipes white, I went with the more expensive VHT product, since these pipes are on the car way more than the others are (90%-10%)

maybe after I sand off the VHT, I'll just run to HD and pick up a couple cans of the Rustoleum again.... :)

LMH 03-10-2017 02:50 PM
They look best with some patina to them imo.
Larry

CompClassics 11-07-2017 01:07 AM
I believe that the above referenced drawing was one that CSX3018 (Richard Messersmith had posted some time ago. I know he and I went back and forth on the subject many times on the phone.
I have a 3" system on my FIA, less mufflers. I had copied the system on my car from some original pipes I had in my collection of parts but from stainless steel.

xb-60 11-07-2017 03:02 AM
More pics of 2257's exhausts....


http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/pict...ictureid=17027


http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/pict...ictureid=17026

Would make for a genuine but almost unique setup for an FIA replica, and would be quite economical on space :D

Cheers,
Glen


ps ....and ain't forum speed great now!!


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