CA Registration without SB100....

[joea]

What are the options for registering outside SB100? If I had a 66 side oiler block could I go outside SB100 by engine?

I have a feeling that sb1578 caused the flood of registrations to happen this year.

[Ibr8k4vetts]

I think DMV will make you smog your car every Two years.
Mike

[xlr8or]

I was under the impression the SB1578 was there to help get cars registered properly.. There were problems with cars such as Cobra's registered as '65 Ford Convertibles.

I thought you could use 1578 to get them registered as the year they were built but smogged per the year of the block.

I could be wrong but that was my understanding.

[decooney]

My understanding is that SB1578 was created for cars that were "already registered" that could not be registered under SB100. Beware, not all DMV counter attendants are created equal.

Option 1 or 2 below is where you can select by engine or year of car that it replicates pending a Referee review and sign off. A few have been successful at this already. Copy from link:

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BILL NUMBER: SB 1578 CHAPTERED
BILL TEXT

CHAPTER 693
FILED WITH SECRETARY OF STATE SEPTEMBER 18, 2002
APPROVED BY GOVERNOR SEPTEMBER 18, 2002
PASSED THE SENATE AUGUST 22, 2002
PASSED THE ASSEMBLY AUGUST 15, 2002
AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY AUGUST 8, 2002
AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY JUNE 18, 2002

INTRODUCED BY Senator Johannessen

FEBRUARY 20, 2002

An act to amend Section 44017.4 of the Health and Safety Code, and to add Section 4750.1 to the Vehicle Code, relating to emission control.

LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST

SB 1578, Johannessen. Emission control: specially constructed
vehicles. Existing law defines a specially constructed vehicle as a vehicle that is built for private use, not for resale, and is not constructed by a licensed manufacturer or remanufacturer, and requires all specially constructed vehicles to be subject to the emission control system testing and certification requirements established by the Department of Consumer Affairs. Existing law also requires a passenger vehicle or pickup truck that is a specially constructed vehicle to be inspected by stations authorized to perform referee functions, and requires the Department of Motor Vehicles to provide an initial registration to no more than the first 500 vehicles that meet the specified criteria and are presented to the department each year for registration.
This bill would eliminate the requirement that the registration
provided to the first 500 vehicles by the Department of Motor
Vehicles be an initial registration for that vehicle, and would
specify that the 500-vehicle limit does not apply to the renewal of
registration of a vehicle previously registered pursuant to those
provisions. This bill would require the department, if it receives during a calendar year an application for registration of a specially
constructed passenger vehicle or pickup truck after it has registered 500 specially constructed vehicles during that calendar year, and the vehicle has not been previously registered, to assign the same model year as the calendar year in which the application is submitted, for purposes of determining emissions control equipment and inspection requirements for the vehicle. The bill would require the department to deny an application for registration during a calendar year of a specially constructed passenger vehicle or pickup truck that was previously registered, if the application for registration is received after the department has registered 500 specially constructed vehicles during that calendar year and the application requests a model-year determination different from the model-year determination assigned in the previous application. The vehicle owner would be subject to the emission control and inspection requirements applicable to the model-year assigned in the previous
registration. The bill would permit the vehicle owner to apply for a
different model-year determination in a subsequent calendar year
subject to the 500-vehicle annual limitation.


THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:


SECTION 1. Section 44017.4 of the Health and Safety Code is
amended to read:
44017.4. (a) Upon registration with the Department of Motor
Vehicles, a passenger vehicle or pickup truck that is a specially
constructed vehicle, as defined in Section 580 of the Vehicle Code,
shall be inspected by stations authorized to perform referee
functions. This inspection shall be for the purposes of determining
the engine model-year used in the vehicle or the vehicle model-year, and the emission control system application. The owner shall have the option to choose whether the inspection is based on the engine model-year used in the vehicle or the vehicle model-year.
(1) In determining the engine model-year, the referee shall compare the engine to engines of the era that the engine most closely resembles. The referee shall assign the 1960 model-year to the engine in any specially constructed vehicle that does not sufficiently resemble a previously manufactured engine. The referee shall require only those emission control systems that are applicable to the established engine model-year and that the engine reasonably accommodates in its present form.
(2) In determining the vehicle model-year, the referee shall
compare the vehicle to vehicles of the era that the vehicle most
closely resembles. The referee shall assign the 1960 model-year to any specially constructed vehicle that does not sufficiently resemble a previously manufactured vehicle. The referee shall require only those emission control systems that are applicable to the established model-year and that the vehicle reasonably accommodates in its present form.
(b) Upon the completion of the inspection, the referee shall affix
a tamper-resistant label to the vehicle and issue a certificate that
establishes the engine model-year or the vehicle model-year, and the emission control system application.
(c) The Department of Motor Vehicles shall annually provide a
registration to no more than the first 500 vehicles that meet the
criteria described in subdivision (a) that are presented to that
department for registration pursuant to this section. The
500-vehicle annual limitation does not apply to the renewal of
registration of a vehicle registered pursuant to this section.
SEC. 2. Section 4750.1 is added to the Vehicle Code, to read:
4750.1. (a) If the department receives an application for
registration of a specially constructed passenger vehicle or pickup
truck after it has registered 500 specially constructed vehicles
during that calendar year pursuant to Section 44017.4 of the Health and Safety Code, and the vehicle has not been previously registered, the vehicle shall be assigned the same model-year as the calendar year in which the application is submitted, for purposes of determining emissions control equipment and inspection requirements for the vehicle.
(b) If the department receives an application for registration of
a specially constructed passenger vehicle or pickup truck that has
been previously registered after it has registered 500 specially
constructed vehicles during that calendar year pursuant to Section
44017.4 of the Health and Safety Code, and the application requests a model-year determination different from the model-year assigned in the previous registration, the application for registration shall be denied and the vehicle owner is subject to the emission control and inspection requirements applicable to the model-year assigned in the previous registration. However, a denial of an application for registration issued pursuant to this subdivision does not preclude the vehicle owner from applying for a different model-year determination and application for registration under Section 44017.4 of the Health and Safety Code in a subsequent calendar year.

[joea]

I think this allowed alot of people who previously were not eligible to register this year....thus the shortage of numbers. I have a hard time believing 500 vehicles were built the 1st 6 months of this year

[xlr8or]

Believe it. Just think of all the hotrods and things being built here in CA. Every kitcar or home made car, plus the customs from all the hotrod shops in CA.

[joea]

So before sb100 you used to register by engine year. There was no number limit on these registrations. Can it still be done this way (ie. not through sb100 )?

[Tinker51]

As I understand it you can indeed register your car to the year of the engine block however, it will have to meet all the smog requirements for 1966. Granted there were not many but they do exist. I would be somewhat cautious of going that route. My Ca built 66 Mustang has a few items of smog control that came from the factory.

[ddimick]

That's correct; your smog requirements are determined by the year the block was manufactured.

[Bluedog]

Does any one have any idea when the 351W came out? Hopefully, '65 or before! I'm thinking about purchasing a cobra this year in CA and now I'm concerned I won't be able to legally drive it. Thanks Bluedog.

[ddimick]

I know of a guy in Thousand Oaks that registered his car prior to SB100 with a pre -1970 351W block.

[Ibr8k4vetts]

You can build your Cobra with anything you want...But you will have to smog it every Two years. Mike

[Bluedog]

Mike, I'm assuming that the smog requirements follow the "year" of your car. Hence, if I have a '65 Cobra, the test should be pretty easy to pass. Although, it's hard to believe that a car without any smog equipment could pass. So, how do people get around the smog check?

[ddimick]

The model year assigned to the car and the year of smog regs it has to pass are two different things. For example, you might register it as a 2003 Cobra, but if you have a 1969 block you will have to pass 1969 smog regulations. This was permitted prior to SB100 being passed.

[decooney]

You won't have to smog it after if you get an exemption under SB100. There will be an E assigned at the end of your Vin. My friend just completed this. His 289 replica Cobra is now for sale with an exemption status. He did this just so he would be able to sell it. In his case, he left it as a newer 1993 model year, but just wanted the "exemption status". He probably should have just had it re-registered as a 1965 using option 2 under SB1578.

If you car won't pass smog, the referee told him it would be red-flagged for smog tracking (gross polluter) records but still given an exemption if it falls under the SB100 or SB1578 registration guidelines. The challenge is finding someone at DMV that can interpret the codes and guidelines correctly, and then be able to act on it.

I've read SB100 and SB1578 several times, and it all comes down to the interpretation by the person you are dealing with at DMV or the BAR referee. Good Luck.

[Tinker51]

Maybe I have this wrong but I was under the impression that if I had a car that was registered under SB100/1578 that when I went to sell it the new owner would have to start the whole process again as if it was never registered. Meaning they would have to do the whole smog referee test and a new sticker etc. etc. all over again. I thought I remember reading somewhere that the exmption is not transferable, does anyone know for sure? I have no intention of selling my car but it might be useful info for some others here on the forum.

[dexter]

The exemption's not transferable between cars. So, if you pull the engine out of one car and put it in another, that car will have to be registered separately under SB100/1578.

[joea]

dexter is correct

[Edley Rondinone]

That makes sense to me; as long as a vehicle is registered once, it stays in the DMV system, even upon sale/transfer of ownership. Non-ops are different, though?