Ford Engine Displacement help....

RedBarchetta · #1 (**permalink**) 11-30-2003, 12:04 AM

I'm an admitted Chevy guy, but I plan to put a Ford in my Cobra. So please forgive me for the former and help me out with the latter.

I could use some help on some of the engine designations and displacements. For example, I know that a Windsor 351 weighs roughly 510lbs and is a small block. But Roush will bore and stroke one of these and create a 406?!?

What about the FE? Harder to find? Are these a 427 or 428 ci?

Side Oiler? Sounds too rare and expensive for my blood, but I'd like to know anyways.

And how about the "385" (429/460)? And why the sub-reference to the 429/460?

Thanks for the inputs/advice! I might be willing to "step up" to a big block to get that correct "sound", but I'd like to hear from the high horsepower small block crowd to determine that as well.

NMattison · #2 (**permalink**) 11-30-2003, 03:24 AM

in building your cobra i guess its what ya really want a small block or a big block i have a small block and im pushing 400 plus and its pretty mean sounding, but if u really want thebig block go for it its your call side oilers are very expensive and i found it hard and more exp, to hook up to big blocks small block stuff is much more available. fe motors could be 352 390 427 429 and most some people use the 460 motor and get lots of hp and some people cant tell the diff. well good luck with your car. also i m glad your putting a ford engine in it thanks Neil

strictlypersonl · #3 (**permalink**) 11-30-2003, 04:13 AM

This will help some.

Edbo · #4 (**permalink**) 11-30-2003, 05:46 AM

Here's another link that may be of interest.

http://www.wrljet.com/fordv8/

Ed

bmalone · #5 (**permalink**) 11-30-2003, 08:13 AM

Red, yes, stroker kits are common for the Windsor motor. THe stock motor is a 4.00" bore by 3.50" stroke. You add to the stroke to come up with the various cids.

427s are expensive, yes. You will spend about 15K or more to build or buy one. Keep in mind Shelby makes 427 aluminum blocks that are reproductions of the original 427 (except the oilling system is different). But FE parts will interchange. Cost is in the same neighborhood.

FEs are 332, 352, 390, 406, 410, 427, and 428 and numerous other truck engines with different displacements.

THe 429 is not an FE engine. It belongs to the 385 engine family. 385 is the name for 429 and 460s, just like 335 is the name assigned to the Cleveland family of engines (351 Cleveland and 400 cid). The 460 is just a stroked 429.

Good luck.

Bob In Ct · #6 (**permalink**) 11-30-2003, 08:18 AM

Just for the record, the 351W and the 352FE have the same bore and stroke (and displacement). The Windsor engine was called 351 so as not to confuse it with the older 352FE (FordEdsel) engine.

Bob

Dwight · #7 (**permalink**) 11-30-2003, 08:21 AM

THANKS FOR THE NEW MOTOR SITES.

KMP

AS MUCH AS I LOVE FORDS MOTORS, I WOULD NEVER PUT ONE IN A CORVETTE.

THANKS

RPRICE · #8 (**permalink**) 11-30-2003, 03:17 PM

REDB, I'm on my second SPF with 385 based engine. Good choice for street driving and gives the "sound" you want. First one was the Ford 460 crate engine. Ran fine, just wanted something different. The SPF with this engine is very street drivable. Third gear is like being in an automatic. Turn corners etc and never change gears. Current SPF has the aluminum Ford big block with 520 CID. Just as steet drivable as the lower hp crate engine, but only because I changed rear end to 3:08 from 3:73. The hp numbers are simular between the high end stroked small blocks and the mild big blocks. Difference is where the hp and torque is made. If you can't tell, I'm a big block low rpm/high torque guy. Just my driving style. The reliability is the same in these light weight cars. Let me know if I can be of help. I, like you was new to all this Ford stuff. And I'll have a screaming LS6 in an SPF before I'm done. There is a guy in the Midwest that has an LS1 in his SPF. Ran great the one time I was around him a couple of years ago.
Richard
Memphis

Excaliber · #9 (**permalink**) 11-30-2003, 04:12 PM

351W vs the old 352FE

351W will produce more h.p. is more reliable and certainly more "modern". I would not even consider a 352, but if I did want to go with an FE a 390 could be considered.

Ernie

RedBarchetta · #10 (**permalink**) 11-30-2003, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bmalone

The 429 is not an FE engine. It belongs to the 385 engine family. 385 is the name for 429 and 460s, just like 335 is the name assigned to the Cleveland family of engines (351 Cleveland and 400 cid). The 460 is just a stroked 429.

Thanks. Now I know why I was so confused!

And Richard from Memphis, thanks for the advice! At first I thought about just going the "Roush route", but I think I could save a little coin by buying a crate motor from Ford and adding the right external components. Hmmm.......

aumoore · #11 (**permalink**) 11-30-2003, 08:59 PM

RedBarchetta

Ford vs chevy comparison

Ford small block 221, 260, 289, 302
Chevy small block 283, 302, 305,307,327, 350, 400

Ford Medium Block 351W
no chevy medium block

Cleveland series 351C, 351M, 400M
No chevy like this

old big block 352, 390, 406, 427(including sideoiler), 428
old Chevy big Block 348, 409

New Big Block 429, 460
New Chevy big block 396, 427, 454

Note that Ford built several special motors based on standard production blocks

302 Boss 302 block with 351C heads. Boss 302 mustang and Couger Eliminators

427 Cammer 427 sideoiler (FE) block with special Single Overhead Cam Hemi heads. Never in a production car.

Boss 429 429 Block(385 series) with custom aluminujm heads with Hemi chambers. Only in Boss 429 Mustang

All other Ford Motors with special names like Boss 351, 428 Cobra Jet etc were basically high performance versions of standard passanger car motors.

One thing that confuses most Chevy guys is the Ford Small Blocks as the 221, 260 and 302 share blocks and most parts while the 351W uses the same heads as a small block(with bigger head bolts) but not much else will interchange. The Chevy small block uses interchangable parts(heads, intakes, distributors, oil pans) up to the 400. Then Ford has the Cleveland (335 series) that shares no parts with the windsor series and actually uses a few 385 series parts like distributor.

Excaliber · #12 (**permalink**) 12-01-2003, 12:42 AM

,,,,and don't forget the original Chevy small block. A 265 that preceded the 283.

Ernie

foothills gary · #13 (**permalink**) 12-01-2003, 07:03 PM

Red there is nothing wrong with being a Chevy guy!Once the Cobra is in my garage and paid for I'd like to start the search for the perfect '67 Vette 427 to park beside it.Gimme some of each ,is my mantra(yes,even the selected Mopar would qualify)!

Bob In Ct · #14 (**permalink**) 12-01-2003, 08:07 PM

Ditto on Gary's post, I love mid 60s Corvettes!

Bob

RedBarchetta · #15 (**permalink**) 12-01-2003, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by foothills gary

Red there is nothing wrong with being a Chevy guy!Once the Cobra is in my garage and paid for I'd like to start the search for the perfect '67 Vette 427 to park beside it.Gimme some of each ,is my mantra(yes,even the selected Mopar would qualify)!

Sounds like my perfect 3 car garage, too.

Door #1 = Cobra
Door #2 = '67 427 Corvette Roadster
Door #3 = '70 Hemi Cuda

foothills gary · #16 (**permalink**) 12-02-2003, 12:07 AM

A '65 GTO might round things out nicely.

ERA Chas · #17 (**permalink**) 12-02-2003, 05:08 PM

Strictly!
Do you realize the valve covers and plugs on your website Cammer are inverted??
You guys are GOOD, but haja do dat??

Excaliber · #18 (**permalink**) 12-02-2003, 06:23 PM

I thought there were two variations of the "cammers"? One with plugs near the intake and the other not?

Ernie