Shelby vs SAAC
 

Its time to poll the membership here to see just who the majority is siding with.

How did Evan get to respond twice?:rolleyes:

Who gives a Sh*t. Has nothing to do with the enjoyment of my car.

Ditto - two groups of smug rich guys battling out over who has the right to shun replicas. What happens to the winners - do they get free Grey Poupon for life?:D

Reminds me of most baseball fans watching a Yankees vs. RedSox game. Who do you root for - the highest paid team in baseball or the close number two? Most of us root for a well timed earthquake.:LOL:

I'd root for the team without the designated hitter, make the pitcher hit.:rolleyes:

Not exactly true. SAAC has accepted CSX 4000 and Kirkham replicas into the Registry. And before the explosion of Open track events SAAC has allowed all replicas in the Open track events.SAAC for a long time had a show class for replicas. They even gave my POS a trophy many years ago.
There is no other car event where you can see as many REAL and not so real Cobras in one place.
I have had many years at SAAC events mixing it up on the track with original Cobras and found many of the owners more hospitable than some of the replica owners who post here.

If you have never attended a SAAC event you have missed out on a good time.

RD

This whole damn thing is about value enhancing a car/the cars with an SAI badge.
The dedicated enthusiasts, the ones who kept the deal alive all these years are the ones getting hosed.

I always thought it was about enjoying the cars for what they are...loud ...superfast...smelly...and ...fun!!!

SAAC hasn't "accepted" 4000 cars. They are Shelby vehicles, and have a legit spot in the registry without any footnotes or explainations needed. Let's not twist the truth here once again, okay?

I looked at a 3000 series car recently to purchase, it was one of those that was built in the early 90's I think from some left over chassis or something and sold for mid hundreds then, but make no mistake, it has a footnote attached and for good reason, it is not an original car. Sorry but it simply is not and it should be known and exposed. the 4000 series cars are self explanatory by their number designation, a footnote of sorts.

The completion cars have lots of footnotes, but for good reason. There were a lot of lies and deception over their origin, and that's something that NEEDS addressing. They were given 60s VINs. They were claimed to be built from leftover 60s parts, when they were in fact built 100% new. Because Shelby got caught, the federal goverment said he could keep the cars with the stipulation that they CANNOT be legally registered in California.

These footnotes simply point out things ABOUT the cars, not why they are in the registry.

That is exactly what it has been about, until the sandbox got too small to share.

Sal, I beg to differ. SAAC has them in the Registry for a specific reason and that is to keep them identified as what they are. Shelby has tried to rewrite history in the past and if given the Registry now would certainly relive the 60's all ocver again!! I bet Jim Morrisons 67 GT500 would Magically resurface within days at Tango Classics!!:LOL:

How could 4000 cars be identified as anything other than what they are? Shelby never tried to say they weren't anything more than Shelby Cobras built from 1996 to present.

Dalton does have somewhat of a valid point however, I personally don't believe a Shelby organization could provide the needed security for a registry in the long term. As for the continuation series cars, thats a no brainer, they belong by virture of being a genuine (modern) Shelby product.

...all though the very term 'continuation' is at least as suspect as the term 'completition'. Completiton of WHAT? Continuing from WHAT? The lineage of the 60's? Gimme a break. :D

I do agree that a third party is better suited in this situation to be the keepers of Cobra history, which is one of the reasons that I support SAAC.

As for the "terms" for the non-60's Shelby Cobras, they are pretty explanitory. The Completion cars were supposed to be Cobras completed from old parts. Of course, that was BS, but that's what they were called. The Continuation cars, are continuations of Cobra production after a period of cars not being built. How can you say it's not from lineage of the 60s? Everything interchanges with a 60s Cobra. It's the same car, it was just built at a different point in time.

Sal, the COBRAS Shelby tried to reintroduce in the 90's as "Old Orihginal Frames" from back in the 60's and gave them CSX 3000 series #'s before California shut him down on it....Ring a Bell? you think for one minute that he was not more lucid back then while attempting that stunt, than he is at 84 you would be wrong. He would potentially really go Hawg Wild Now and when finally he got drug into court this time, he would probably already be Dead! **) **)

Of course it rings a bell, I just explained that in the post above yours :p .

What I was saying is, the 4000 cars were never claimed to be anything more than what they are.... Shelby Cobras built after 1996. Completion cars were different. Carroll tried to say they were something that they weren't from the get go, and got caught. But that's a different car, not a 4000 car. He COULD try to change what the 4000 cars "are" after the fact, but that would be rediculous, because it would have no validity after they've been out for 10 years now.

I understand the terminology, and use it, it certainly clairifies which period of time were referring to when it comes to build dates and models.

...it's just a little thing that always kind of bothered me, perhaps it has just a sort of classic 'Snake Oil' ring to it if you think about it to long. :LOL:

But no question about it, there genuine Shelbys, authorized and approved by the man himself (including of course the completition series).

Concern about widespread availability of Shelby VINs
 

Dear Amy,
My major concern, as the owner of a '65 GT350 and a '70 GT500 is that, if the records from SAAC are ever "turned over" to any other entity (CAI or anyone else), will the integrity of those records, including the original Ford VINs linked to the original Shelby cars, be maintained? If access to those linked VINs is made available to the general public, my fear is that it would unleash a torrent of fakes and clones with numbers to match the "real" original Shelbys. Whatever you all may say about SAAC, the one thing they have always held sacred is the protection of those original Ford VINs, to prove the authenticity of the original cars. Without that protection, I am certain that the value of the original Shelby production cars from '65 to '70 will plummet. Obviously, as the owner of two of these cars, my comments are self serving, but I know there are many other "original car" owners who share my feelings. We have all invested a ton of time and money restoring and preserving these vehicles, and have finally seen the values increase in recent years. I shudder to think what would happen to that valuation, if all of the Ford/Shelby VIN links were available in the public domain. I would like to hear Amy's comments about that possibility, which has been mentioned in several Shelby chat rooms between enthusiasts. We (as owners of the original Shelby cars) need to hear that our valuations will not be diluted due to widespread distribution of this Ford/Shelby link of VIN/car numbers. That would truly be a disaster for all of us who have preserved these cars in their original form. There is no room for fakes, and distribution of these numbers would destroy the integrity of the originals. Any comments, Amy?