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05-26-2008, 03:53 PM
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Location: San Jose CA,
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Cobra Make, Engine: SPF_R_/BRG/FRBoss302/327CI/FordEFI/Under_Car_Exh/
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BDR is correct on the VIN stamping , ford didnt do that {block stamping} until much later. Concours Date code rules are 3 to 6 months prior to car production date depending on component. if the 428 is all ford inside and out, low 20's is a rock solid deal. just as long as it is a F or R factory car (VIN should read 7F09S1xxxxx, or 7R09S1xxxxx) {F is dearborn MI, R is San Jose CA) 67 VINS are on the drivers side top fender well, reprinted on the door tag, and under the top of the passenger side fender well, under the fender (req rem of fender to locate). T cars are from Jersey and score a bit lower on the $$ scale.
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05-26-2008, 04:41 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-289 FIA, ERA 289 roadster hybrid, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
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Originally Posted by PANAVIA
BDR is correct on the VIN stamping , ford didnt do that {block stamping} until much later.
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Actually Ford started stamping VIN's on the HiPo blocks starting in 1965. Sorry, but it is a FORD, MCA, and SAAC documented fact on these cars.
1965/1966 "K" Code 289 4V HiPo engines
1967 "K" and "S" Code engines
1968 "J","S","R",and "Q" Code engines
Just to name a few......
Bill S.
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05-28-2008, 03:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmustang
Actually Ford started stamping VIN's on the HiPo blocks starting in 1965. Sorry, but it is a FORD, MCA, and SAAC documented fact on these cars.
1965/1966 "K" Code 289 4V HiPo engines
1967 "K" and "S" Code engines
1968 "J","S","R",and "Q" Code engines
Just to name a few......
Bill S.
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No Q code in 68 and you forgot X code also not all production blocks got vins.
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05-28-2008, 04:15 PM
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No Q code in 68 and you forgot X code also not all production blocks got vins.
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Actually two "Q" Code 68's are known to exist (marti book does not show it, but they are there and I have seen both up close and in person), you are correct, I missed the 390 2V "X" code engines in my haste to post before.
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05-28-2008, 06:39 PM
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Actually two "Q" Code 68's are known to exist (marti book does not show it, but they are there and I have seen both up close and in person), you are correct, I missed the 390 2V "X" code engines in my haste to post before.
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Absolute rubbish. ok at best urban legend LOL Show even 1 speck of proof. If you posted this on 428.org or FE forum they would discard that statement in a second Bill.
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05-28-2008, 07:02 PM
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Absolute rubbish. ok at best urban legend LOL Show even 1 speck of proof. If you posted this on 428.org or FE forum they would discard that statement in a second Bill.
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Sigh, no matter what I post, you just won't believe me so there is no reason to bother. The proof is there, both cars exist, one is now in private hands in Georgia (I missed buying this car in Utica NY by 10 minutes back in 1989 (saw it listed in Hemmings), seller worked for Ford concepts division back in the 60's (this one is a convertible). The second was last seen in 1978 (I saw it at a Mustang show at Knottsberry farms in 1978 and wondered what the hell was a "Q" Code Mustang) and last I heard was undergoing a ground up restoration by Drew Alcazar(sp) for a private overseas collector (circa 1991). Used to have both VIN's (I must have sent over 5,000 to the "In Search of Mustangs" guys and then some) but lost that data, along with quite a bit more in a house fire in 1998. Again, don't take my word on it, but when once of them shows up in an article (similar to the only 1967 Shelby convertible made that people like you stated never existed), then you'll appreciate this post.
Bill S.
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Reason: Edit for body style and location additions
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05-28-2008, 07:35 PM
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Didnot ever state there was no 67 500 Vert as there is and is a well known car so do not throw me in that basket. Now as far as the 68 Q code fallacy... easily proven with the rest of the vin if it is not in Marti's published book then just provide the vin to one of the cars and he will show you that they do not exist or are C code cars in actuality. I only asked for 1 small thread of proof so your statement of whatever I post will not help is an excuse. Drew is known to have made all kinds of interestingly equipped Mustangs before Kevin Marti. This is how the legends start and take years to unwind. With the database available it is just silly to make such claims. I googled 'Q code Mustang" the very first thing that came up without even opening the site said No such thing
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05-28-2008, 07:42 PM
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Didnot ever state there was no 67 500 Vert as there is and is a well known car so do not throw me in that basket. Now as far as the 68 Q code fallacy... easily proven with the rest of the vin if it is not in Marti's published book then just provide the vin to one of the cars and he will show you that they do not exist or are C code cars in actuality. I only asked for 1 small thread of proof so your statement of whatever I post will not help is an excuse. Drew is known to have made all kinds of interestingly equipped Mustangs before Kevin Marti. This is how the legends start and take years to unwind. With the database available it is just silly to make such claims. I googled 'Q code Mustang" the very first thing that came up without even opening the site said No such thing
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