StreetSnake,

I agree that it is getting old. That said, I am pretty confident that your comment regarding Dean and Ron being in business together when Ron got his SPF is inaccurate. I think the partnership came quite a while later (actually I am pretty sure of it). But in the effort to stop spreading opinions or recollections as facts (mine included), maybe someone "in the know" can clear that up....or perhaps it does not even matter. The orignal question was how are the pipes. The answer is very nice and well worth the investment. People can choose their favorite vendor based upon whatever criteria they find important to them.

Peace out.

Gary

RedBarchetta,

The lawyers are to find out if the original builds built by Dean were then used to get business for Ron with Dean not being involved. Smart***:)

Gary,
you are correct that the actual partnership came about after Ron got his SPF, I did not say anything otherwise.

Oh I get it. Welder A builds a prototype and then Welder B uses prototype to get more business, but doesn't have Welder A do the builds. Harder to prove in court, and in the end, you end up passing the money to the attorneys. Jamo probably understands this formula better than most of us. :LOL:

These two guys are better off going their separate ways and competing. People that fail to bury the axe usually get hurt by it. Too bad this thread got so distorted, but it has been a hoot to follow. Nice to know everyone now has choices for custom pipes...4 years ago there were hardly any.

Son of a gun, just when it looks like the thread is about to die? More spin??

Streetsnake posts “Ron asked Dean if he thought it could be improved and the side pipes where really the only thing that was holding it back. Thus, Dean built the first set of these pipes”

Wow.. What a leap!

Actually the first discussion that ended with the production of these pipes was between Ron and myself, in my garage, in early 2003. Ron and I debated how we could get a little more out of our cars which lead us to better pipes. That’s really neither hear nor there and I would not dispute that Ron may have asked Dean a similar question later on. I really don’t know, but I do know that Ron did not ask the question of Dean and then “Dean built the first set of these pipes for Ron”

The production of these pipes included many, many hours of design, supplier and manufacturing considerations. Dean did not spec the pipes, he did not source the parts, he did not front the cash required, he did not produce the stainless steel tubing, he did not bend tubing, he did not do the cutting and fitting, he did not produce the mufflers, nor did he do the polishing. Anyone who knows anything about manufacturing knows that this list goes on and on. As the welder on the first three sets, much of the final assembly took place in Dean’s barn. As a knowledgeable mechanic/car enthusiast/builder, Dean also brings something to the table in design input, but “Dean built the first set”? That sure ignores a ton of detail.

“Did Ron take a set of pipes and have them replicated and begin selling behind Dean's back”. Is this you speculating StreetSnake? By the time things began falling apart, Dean was not even the welder anymore. How about Ron’s wife, Jody, died and Dean was selling pipes without Ron’s knowledge until the new owners were sent back to Ron for warranty work? Yes, Lawyers will sort that one out if necessary.

“Firefly, to my knowledge, was not in existence until Dean became aware of what was going on” “to my knowledge” is key here… The facts.. buckshotracefab.com was published for and paid for by Ron Roberts. When the relationship dissolved, so did the website. In March of 2008 Fireflyperformance.com was published. The .net version of the Buckshot site did not appear until after that.

What ever there once was is no longer. It would be nice if this would all just go quietly away. Deal with who you want. Stop the spin…

BTW. Just one last clarifying point… There are no patents on these pipes.

Craig

Craig,

Would you like a nice pair of noise canceling grey beaver pelt ear muffs for those side pipes? MeatMaster has an extra set he'd be willing to part with.

BTW, why don't you do the welding on these side pipes. You could use your new alternator.:LOL: jk

SpinnersWiredBackwards

Ron,
Your posts displease me....Begone

SpinnersWiredBackwards....

Experienced in alternator welding, I'll pass on welding and go with your muff offer.... :-)

Muffedlookingforwardtonoisecanceling

Thanks for the Clarification Craigayl
 

Good to hear first hand wintnessed accounts from those that were there when it was all cming down, and not third hand parties who are trying to change history to what it's not for whatever reason.

Well Done, and never medium rare. The meat stop here!

MEATMASTER

OK....I wasn't going to but now I have to make one more post.....where does one come by one of those fine pair of grey beaver ear muffs? It gets terribly cold down here in Texas and some beaver wrapped around your head might be just the ticket.

Uncle Fester Osborne....I mean UFO....I mean Gary Osborne

I know a few places in Texas where they wrap beavers around your ears. Not sure they would keep the noice down, certainly not the high pitch ones but damn sure keep your ears warm.:LOL:

Rusty Raceshocks,

This thread was gone long ago, but it was resurected by BarnSwallow. You could physically feel BarnSwallows index finger shaking at us while she was typing, as if she were trying to club us with it.

I wish there was more hen pecking for us to comment on. Please!

R

I second that!

McD00,

you are my hero....

Motor on.

Regards,

Ed

Thank you. You are too kind:D

ditto
 

+1

Eric

I agree... not much side pipe talk left in this thread. :cool:

Start a new one if questions persist.

Thanks
ron
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