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12-27-2008, 02:00 PM
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Usually when someone spends so much effort letting everyone know that they must resist posting, we'd all be better off if they were successful. How about next time you go scribble it on a napkin in the bathroom and save the bandwidth?
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12-27-2008, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Gatorac
Usually when someone spends so much effort letting everyone know that they must resist posting, we'd all be better off if they were successful. How about next time you go scribble it on a napkin in the bathroom and save the bandwidth?
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My thoughts exactly.
So... if "Cobra" where instead "cobra", would it then be legit? There is Cobra Insurance, Cobra Electronics, Cobra Golf, etc. As far as metatags go, "Cobra" seems to be the closest thing to being any sort of infraction but I still don't see it.
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12-27-2008, 02:22 PM
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I don't see it either. I think they are grasping at straws with that claim. FFR will have an SEO expert witness testify that most engines don't even rely on meta tags anymore (primarily) and that one is out the window.
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12-27-2008, 02:52 PM
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This metatag descriptor from Cobra Electronics web site www.cobra.com
meta name="Keywords" content="cobra,microtalk,family radio service,frs,FRS, handheld radio, wireless communication,walkie talkie,walky talky,cb,cb radio,cb radios,hand held radios,radar detectors,2-way radios,cordless phones,CB radios,Cobra Electronics"
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12-27-2008, 03:27 PM
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Tags from this page:
<meta name="keywords" content="Shelby's latest lawsuit, who's next? cobra,shelby,gt40,daytona,427" />
I see cobra, daytona and 427.
The next thing you know the ol man will be after the records of various websites like this and he'll come after all of us who view these sites and don't have an CSX.
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12-27-2008, 07:56 PM
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Hell, I try not to cite 9th Circuit cases in the 9th Circuit. 
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12-27-2008, 07:58 PM
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Hell, I try not to cite 9th Circuit cases in the 9th Circuit. 
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Smart man. 
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12-28-2008, 02:29 PM
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Agree somewhat with your statement, however I still believe if CS hadn't needed SPF's manufacturing abilities, they woulnd't have gotten the same treatment.
I'm pretty sure if FFR had offered to make Shelby Cobras Ole Shel would have had a pretty good laugh at that one.......
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12-28-2008, 02:36 PM
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You can bet CS got what he wanted out of the deal. But had FFR resolved #1 in a similar manner, where a go-forward license was agreed to, then there would be no 2nd lawsuit. Even if FFR prevails, they once again have to spend $1mil + to defend themselves. So if you are building cars in this space, do you wait to get snakebit or do you go look up the old man and make a deal?
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12-28-2008, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by elmariachi
You can bet CS got what he wanted out of the deal. But had FFR resolved #1 in a similar manner, where a go-forward license was agreed to, then there would be no 2nd lawsuit. Even if FFR prevails, they once again have to spend $1mil + to defend themselves. So if you are building cars in this space, do you wait to get snakebit or do you go look up the old man and make a deal?
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You are missing the point.
According to FFR, from their 1st lawsuit they won, they were allowed to use the 65 Coupe design.
Screw Shelby, he missed the boat many years ago when he f*cked-off to Africa to find another money making scheme.
Tough Luck Shelby.............can't win em all you greed monger.
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12-28-2008, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by VE4MM
According to FFR, from their 1st lawsuit they won, they were allowed to use the 65 Coupe design.
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If it was that clear-cut, there would be no lawsuit. You are missing the point...I am not taking Shelby's side. EVEN IF HE HAS NO CLAIM, he is still spending money dragging companies to court, and that costs HUGE money to defend. Do you wait on him to attack, or do you take pre-emptive measures?
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12-28-2008, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by elmariachi
If it was that clear-cut, there would be no lawsuit. You are missing the point...I am not taking Shelby's side. EVEN IF HE HAS NO CLAIM, he is still spending money dragging companies to court, and that costs HUGE money to defend.
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That's the point. Who gets that huge money? The lawyers.
Nothing in the US court of Law is clear cut. If it was, then there would be no reason to spend more money.
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12-28-2008, 06:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VE4MM
You are missing the point.
According to FFR, from their 1st lawsuit they won, they were allowed to use the 65 Coupe design.
Screw Shelby, he missed the boat many years ago when he f*cked-off to Africa to find another money making scheme.
Tough Luck Shelby.............can't win em all you greed monger.
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If you've got such a beef with CS, why do you own a Cobra replica and a new Shelby Mustang? 
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12-28-2008, 06:37 PM
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So CS is cool with the "harm to his brand" if you pay for the right to continue that "harm"? Sorta makes you wonder whether he really thinks his "brand" has been harmed at all. Maybe the SPF deal Shelby made will actually help FFR. Oh the humanity! 
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12-28-2008, 06:47 PM
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If you've got such a beef with CS, why do you own a Cobra replica and a new Shelby Mustang? 
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Stentor, do you own anything made in China? Do you like Commies? This is silly talk.
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12-28-2008, 07:14 PM
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Stentor, do you own anything made in China? Do you like Commies? This is silly talk.
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I thought it was a fair question. Can you established forum members not debate and discuss a subject without attacking other posters personally?
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12-28-2008, 09:30 PM
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Stentor, do you own anything made in China? Do you like Commies? This is silly talk.
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Let's see, VE4MM's profile states that he owns a 2007 Shelby Mustang GT500. And VE4MM has made it very clear in recent posts that he has a very negative opinion of Carroll Shelby (CS).
If I had a real beef with CS I probably would have elected to purchase a non-Shelby Mustang instead of a Shelby GT500 (e.g., get a Ford Mustang GT and tune it).
Following your "interesting" analogy, if I had a beef with the Chinese, I certainly wouldn't intentionally go out of my way to pay a premium for their product (when a suitable substitute was readily available at a lower cost).
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Got my cars before he turned into an a-hole.
Pretty Simple.
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I am not so sure that CS has changed that much since 2007 (given that you have a 2007 Shelby Mustang GT500). 
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12-28-2008, 07:28 PM
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If you've got such a beef with CS, why do you own a Cobra replica and a new Shelby Mustang? 
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Got my cars before he turned into an a-hole.
Pretty Simple.
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12-28-2008, 07:46 PM
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Got my cars before he turned into an a-hole.
Pretty Simple.
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What date was that? I may need to trade mine in for an older model. 
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12-28-2008, 03:09 PM
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I don't think anyone is missing your point. If he has no claim, how do we know whether any company didn't do the due diligence of looking to see whether CS had said rights, approaching CS for license, finding he had no rights in question, and moving forward? Has ANY cobra replica manufacturer done so and failed? It seems as though precedence has been set.
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