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[Buzz]

Originally Posted by Dinobyte

Buzz,

I am not trying to promote anyone's brand. I don't receive a commission if someone buys a Backdraft. I am an owner, yes. Would I have prefered a Kirkham? Yes! Is there anyone here who would not?

If you read my post, it asked for everyones input. The chart is a start, not a finish. As for your claim of not attacking anyone, nice try, but you don't get a pass that easily. I am sure you would would not try that BS with me in person.

Try being a bit more of the solution and not the problem. Why not add to this in a positive way and not come off as a flame thrower.

Michael

Quit acting like a spoiled kid. I stand by everything I posted. On line or in person, makes no difference to me. Your chart is your way to justify buying a BDR and nothing more. Sorry.

Two guys escalating an internet difference of opinion to chest pounding, threats and personal conflict makes little sense. But while we're at it , let me assure you with all sincerity that if you said to my face that Backdrafts are better Cobra replicas overall than ERA's, CSX's, SPF's and Uniques, bet your bottom dollar buddy I would surely laugh out loud and tell you that you are full of it. How you choose to react to that is your problem. If you say that you like BDR's better than the others because of personal preferences and tastes, nothing at all wrong with that, just don't expect me to feel the same way.

My positive contribution to the chart idea is that the only objective set of standards for evaluating cars that attempt to replicate a Cobra is by comparing them to a Cobra. If we are to go with subjective opinions about what "looks nice" and "rides nice" we might as well forget it. As for which has "the best track performance" - lol! With what engine? Transmission? Who's driving? What track?

Originally Posted by patrickt
Hey Buzz, I bet Michael could kick your a$$. Buttrick's too.

Patrick, TButtrick and Mr. D*ckey need to duke it out over who has the nastiest name on cc. Then the winner gets to kick your butt for putting two roll bars on a nice ERA! Hey - just like a BDR!! maybe thats why Dino gave ERA's a "5"

[TButtrick]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Patrick, TButtrick and Mr. D*ckey need to duke it out over who has the nastiest name on cc. Then the winner gets to kick your butt for putting two roll bars on a nice ERA! Hey - just like a BDR!! maybe thats why Dino gave ERA's a "5"

Hey wait. That's my real name.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Patrick, TButtrick and Mr. D*ckey need to duke it out over who has the nastiest name on cc.

Ehhh, I don't think either one of them has the guts to throw the first punch at the other.

[TButtrick]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Ehhh, I don't think either one of them has the guts to throw the first punch at the other.

Well my father can beat up your father.

Grow the phuck up Patrick. Many of these post are in jest but yours just has a tone of deep hatred.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by TButtrick

Grow the phuck up Patrick. Many of these post are in jest but yours just has a tone of deep hatred.

Well, no poetry for you then.

[Dinobyte]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Quit acting like a spoiled kid. I stand by everything I posted. On line or in person, makes no difference to me. Your chart is your way to justify buying a BDR and nothing more. Sorry.

Two guys escalating an internet difference of opinion to chest pounding, threats and personal conflict makes little sense. But while we're at it , let me assure you with all sincerity that if you said to my face that Backdrafts are better Cobra replicas overall than ERA's, CSX's, SPF's and Uniques, bet your bottom dollar buddy I would surely laugh out loud and tell you that you are full of it. How you choose to react to that is your problem. If you say that you like BDR's better than the others because of personal preferences and tastes, nothing at all wrong with that, just don't expect me to feel the same way.

My positive contribution to the chart idea is that the only objective set of standards for evaluating cars that attempt to replicate a Cobra is by comparing them to a Cobra. If we are to go with subjective opinions about what "looks nice" and "rides nice" we might as well forget it. As for which has "the best track performance" - lol! With what engine? Transmission? Who's driving? What track?



Patrick, TButtrick and Mr. D*ckey need to duke it out over who has the nastiest name on cc. Then the winner gets to kick your butt for putting two roll bars on a nice ERA! Hey - just like a BDR!! maybe thats why Dino gave ERA's a "5"

When I posted the chart, I said "I need more detail to finish...but you get the idea." Feel free to send me your ratings. I don't want to slant, I would have loved it if all the people who know these cars had at some point prior to my purchase had put this type of chart together, compiling all the data into one easy to read format making my research a bit easier.

I could really care less if you think I am biased...I am...I want a Kirkham...not an ERA. But I drive a BDR and like it for now. Is it 110% original? No...but what is unless it is an original 1960's car? Your car may approximate the original in various aspects, but it will never be original, no matter how hard you try.

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by Dinobyte

When I posted the chart, I said "I need more detail to finish...but you get the idea." Feel free to send me your ratings. I don't want to slant, I would have loved it if all the people who know these cars had at some point prior to my purchase had put this type of chart together, compiling all the data into one easy to read format making my research a bit easier.

I could really care less if you think I am biased...I am...I want a Kirkham...not an ERA. But I drive a BDR and like it for now. Is it 110% original? No...but what is unless it is an original 1960's car? Your car may approximate the original in various aspects, but it will never be original, no matter how hard you try.

Actually my car is not very original looking at all. It has a forward braced roll bar and bolt on wheels. I put louvered vents in the hood - not so much for engine cooling now that it's properly tuned, but the engine compartment is way cooler after a long drive now - good for the longevity of underhood components. So this is really not about defending my chosen brand.

Back to the chart, though - what we could try is to simply list all of the factual info about each brand and let the reader rank and score them himself to suit his particular needs and preferences.
For example, list features like frame type, suspension (IRS/solid), dimensions, base/package price, etc.
As we can see, the subjective stuff is well...subjective and impossible to rank or quantify. A frank, objective comment section detailing any special/unique features could accompany the data.

Once drafted, it could be posted for input and corrections then placed in a sticky for potential buyers to peruse. Your format is good - do you think its doable? I'm willing to help with what I can but most of the good data will come from the owners and manufacturers of each brand.

Yes/no?

EDIT: Jolsen42, that is one really nice car!

[Got the Bug]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Actually my car is not very original looking at all. It has a forward braced roll bar and bolt on wheels. I put louvered vents in the hood - not so much for engine cooling now that it's properly tuned, but the engine compartment is way cooler after a long drive now - good for the longevity of underhood components. So this is really not about defending my chosen brand.

Back to the chart, though - what we could try is to simply list all of the factual info about each brand and let the reader rank and score them himself to suit his particular needs and preferences.
For example, list features like frame type, suspension (IRS/solid), dimensions, base/package price, etc. As we can see, the subjective stuff is well...subjective and impossible to rank or quantify. A frank, objective comment section detailing any special features could accompany the data.

Once drafted, it could be posted for input and corrections then placed in a sticky for potential buyers to peruse. Your format is good - do you think its doable? I'm willing to help with what I can but most of the good data will come from the owners and manufacturers of each brand.

Yes/no?

Let's put up a Wiki and then let everyone edit it.

I don't live in a dream world, but these threads are useless and kind of negative. Maybe entertaining banter for one person but not very productive.

This also is about a million miles away from the conversations that our local Cobra group has when we meet for breakfast to shoot the shix. And yes, every manufacturer is represented. Run what ya brung.

[TButtrick]

Originally Posted by Got the Bug

This also is about a million miles away from the conversations that our local Cobra group has when we meet for breakfast to shoot the shix. And yes, every manufacturer is represented. Run what ya brung.

Well said. When we all get together for a ride, the mutual respect that we have for each others ride is always the top of discussion. I LOVE getting the chance to look at other rides and for the most part, I'm humbled... except for the dual roll bar thing.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by TButtrick

I LOVE getting the chance to look at other rides and for the most part, I'm humbled... except for the dual roll bar thing.

Well dang, you just might get that poetry after all.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Got the Bug

This also is about a million miles away from the conversations that our local Cobra group has when we meet for breakfast to shoot the shix. And yes, every manufacturer is represented. Run what ya brung.

Well, how about that time at the burger joint in Campbell, you know the restaurant with the microscopic parking and the fire truck making a Y turn in it.

I open my hood and Steve (PANAVIA) states out loud with the adoring public (Randy & Lane) checking out my car that my dipstick was "Made in Taiwan" and I should cover it so no one will notice.

Doug, you're right. our conversations are million miles away from the ones here on the CC Forum, where members insult other's Cobras.

Of course, I'm just kidding around.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Of course, I'm just kidding around.

I don't know... sounds like "a tone of deep hatred" to me (to coin a phrase).

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

I don't know... sounds like "a tone of deep hatred" to me (to coin a phrase).

Nope, no deep tone of hatred here. All in good fun. I grew up in an environment where all the car guys would "cap" on each other's cars. That's what guys do. You gotta have some humility.

I only bring it up because of the humor and irony. Also, I'm not trying to win the SAAC Concours at BeaveRun.

[Got the Bug]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Well, how about that time at the burger joint in Campbell, you know the restaurant with the microscopic parking and the fire truck making a Y turn in it.

I open my hood and Steve (PANAVIA) states out loud with the adoring public (Randy & Lane) checking out my car that my dipstick was "Made in Taiwan" and I should cover it so no one will notice.

Doug, you're right. our conversations are million miles away from the ones here on the CC Forum, where members insult other's Cobras.

Of course, I'm just kidding around.

For sure, there's plenty of ribbing and some cheap shots for a laugh. BTW, did you replace that dispstick yet?

In the end (aside from a few guys who regularly drive their originals), they're all "Tupperware" or "Reynolds" pop-offs.

[pcoghlan]

Buzz, I applaud your intentions but I think that even putting aside the subjective items, which are most of the items listed, the rest will be nearly as difficult due to bias. It is difficult to look at even an objective item and be TOTALLY unbiased. I know I have a soft spot for my GD and would rate it highly in most areas. I suspect most owners would equally rate their brand highly in most areas.

In short I think this is a non-starter. I would love to be proven wrong but someone's suggestion earlier that new users simply use the in-site search to pull relevant threads might be the way to go.

Apropos the erm...well...prickly posts lets remember we are all here to share our enthusiasm for the Cobra. We are more united than divided.

So, stop it or I will bring up the UK v US thing!

Paul

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by pcoghlan

So, stop it or I will bring up the UK v US thing!

Paul

If you haven't heard, we, the US, won.

[pcoghlan]

Not the debate I was talking about but now you mention it...

[Dinobyte]

Buzz et al, I am game. I will provide the chart, update the columns as requested, what ever...I look at this as an oportunity to help newbies...and de-mystify the process a degree or two.

With regards to the Curt Scott book, it is good, I own it. But a comparison is not done on a single chart.

[ENTDOC]

that green car is very nice

[jmimac351]

Originally Posted by pcoghlan

Not the debate I was talking about but now you mention it...

Don't worry, pretty soon you'll think you never left.