COB series VIN ?

[Trevor Legate]

Ned - 'tis the only authentic record of 6008 - Bruce ordered it, paid for it and drove it home. He has no reason to tell untruths. If he was a natural born liar he'd have a career in Formula One. It's not some kind of fake that suddenly appeared out of the ether (and we all know about those, do we not?)

Should anyone require a new-build, time-warp 'AC Cobra' then Brooklands (AC Heritage) can knock one up for you. I've driven their beautifully made FIA 289 flat-out and I can confirm that it drives like an original - as it should - and goes very fast! Old-school fun at 2009 prices. (Or maybe you could purchase a brace of brand new 911s....as I've said before, funny old world)

[Trevor Legate]

If you should go to: and hope it works but it takes forever to load so click 'play' and go for a coffee then replay it:

http://www.goodwood.co.uk/site/conte...l/Default.aspx

you will get a glimpse of 6008 in action as well as a Daytona, the Willment Coupe and Bill Murray and his team in time-lapse doing an all-nighter to replace the engine in a Daytona for which they won an award and quite right to!

for some odd reason my link is correct on my screen but the words 'content/revival' does not show so maybe type that yourself with content/revival as opposed to the gibberish that shows when I load this

[Don]

I provided to Steve @ Brooklands Motor Company in the UK the link to this Thread , below is his unedited response"


" The owner asked us to verify the body work by comparing it to the original body jigs . We couldnt see any difference and it was fitted the same as period Cobras of that time frame , but we couldnt state as a fact that it was built that way but to change a street car body to the FIA style would envolve a great deal of work and why would a racer by a street car body only to retro fit wider fenders for racing tyres ?. 6036 is another story . "

" The car was wrecked in 79 . A new car was built in 83 finished in 85 with a new frame body and virtually every new part . The wreck was kept by the owner with its original title papers period history , undamged frame with numbers and various body sections wheels hardtop etc . We aquired it in 02 the then Saac registry 97 discribed the 6036 as a replica which is a fact . Therefore we had the Ac guy look at the frame and associated parts he verfied it was correct - The Ac factory at Frimley in surrey verfied it too . We restored it to Fia spec body style . Its registered on the original uk issued number for the frame . "

" Our guys here actually built the Angliss 6036 so we do have some connection with that car .. The Saac register clearly is a one sided opinion of the history ....we rely on facts and the facts are our car was built at Thames Ditton and the newer car was built at Brooklands . The problem that arises when someone refers to the registry the opinions become facts as both 6036 and 6008 . Finally and we always laugh at this with the registry is that one car with a new Angliss / Brooklands / AcHeritage frame and body will be recoreded as an original car , and different cars with the same body and chassis process are replica`s !. "

[hurricaneharold]

Originally Posted by computerworks

COB6008 ?

Yes ,that is COB 6008 at Goodwood, however it has just been restored to how it was in 1964

[hurricaneharold]

1964 AC Cobra COB 6008 by hurricaneharold,

[Trevor Legate]

To revive the earlier comments, I've since had further talks with the original owner of 6008 and he recalls driving it home from AC Cars on original thin wire wheels which looked lost in the wide rear arches. I have pics of the tubing modifications to the doors with a concave section welded onto the convex section (I think I got that the right way round!!?) It proves that the car was made this way at AC since how could anyone else copy the work of AC when nobody had ever seen a race-prepared Cobra in the UK? Once the car was registered it went to the ex-Ecurie Ecosse mechanic Wilkie Wilkinson at Bourne where he worked for BRM. He added Webers and a louvred hood plus race brakes and alloys wheels mit race tyres.

[FatBoy]

This beautiful Cobra is once again for sale:

INTRODUCTION // Home Of Horsepower

Paul

[hurricaneharold]

Originally Posted by FatBoy

This beautiful Cobra is once again for sale:

INTRODUCTION // Home Of Horsepower

Paul

So were in the link does it say the car is forsale ?

There is memorabilia forsale and a couple of motorbikes.

[FatBoy]

It doesn't, but it is advertised in the latest issue of Octane magazine and gives the website address as a source of information about the car.

Paul

[JBCOBRA]

Thank you guys! Excellent information
Man O Man, I would love to have 6008

[london]

Originally Posted by Don

I provided to Steve @ Brooklands Motor Company in the UK the link to this Thread , below is his unedited response"


" The owner asked us to verify the body work by comparing it to the original body jigs . We couldnt see any difference and it was fitted the same as period Cobras of that time frame , but we couldnt state as a fact that it was built that way but to change a street car body to the FIA style would envolve a great deal of work and why would a racer by a street car body only to retro fit wider fenders for racing tyres ?. 6036 is another story . "

" The car was wrecked in 79 . A new car was built in 83 finished in 85 with a new frame body and virtually every new part . The wreck was kept by the owner with its original title papers period history , undamged frame with numbers and various body sections wheels hardtop etc . We aquired it in 02 the then Saac registry 97 discribed the 6036 as a replica which is a fact . Therefore we had the Ac guy look at the frame and associated parts he verfied it was correct - The Ac factory at Frimley in surrey verfied it too . We restored it to Fia spec body style . Its registered on the original uk issued number for the frame . "

" Our guys here actually built the Angliss 6036 so we do have some connection with that car .. The Saac register clearly is a one sided opinion of the history ....we rely on facts and the facts are our car was built at Thames Ditton and the newer car was built at Brooklands . The problem that arises when someone refers to the registry the opinions become facts as both 6036 and 6008 . Finally and we always laugh at this with the registry is that one car with a new Angliss / Brooklands / AcHeritage frame and body will be recoreded as an original car , and different cars with the same body and chassis process are replica`s !. "

I saw the AC Heritage COB 6036 at Brooklands last weekend. Certainly a beautiful car, whatever its provenance (Apologies for the poor quality of the photos).

[Nedsel]

The problem with the 2 COX 6036 cars out there is that things don't happen in a vacuum, nor does one event happen all by itself. In the case of this car, there was a serious engine fire which destroyed a good bit of the car. No one could tell for certain how the heat had affected the metallurgy of the chassis, and it was Autokraft which suggested that the car be reconstructed with a new chassis and body. So that is what the owner chose to do. He legally transferred ownership of the VIN - which was his alone - to the new vehicle, which was OK by British law, especially as the new car was constructed by what was then the official AC Factory. At that point in time, the burnt chassis became "parts" and nothing more - even if a VIN could still be discerned on the chassis. COX 6036 is legally the new car today, and the remains of the original car -according to DMV code - is legally something else. Anyone can try to claim the "original car" should be called the correct COX 6036, but to do so ignores the rightful ownership of the VIN, which was legally transferred to the NEW car by its LEGAL owner. This is far from a one-sided interpretation of the situation; this is a simple conclusion based on ALL of the facts rather than the few that some people like to use to support a different position.

[Trevor Legate]

I cannot add anything to the clear and concise posting from Sir Ned which efectively ends the discussion. What does confuse me is why this topic has to be raised on a regular basis....? Not sure what purpose it serves.

[Nedsel]

Thank you, Trevor. In fairness, the comments about 6036 were made in 2009, but no one responded to them at that time. It is an issue that will not go away on its own, however, as long as someone with a financial interest in the discarded car wants to have its finished restoration declared the "real" 6036. The old chassis will always be just what it is, but it has lost the right to call itself COX 6036, so they had better come up with another identity for it.

[nikbj68]

Cox 6036a?

[london]

If there is an owner of a COX 6036 out there somewhere, he must be hearing about this for the first time. The chassis number(s) is/are COB 6036

[mickmate]

Some have an "R" added to denote replica.

[Nedsel]

Originally Posted by london

If there is an owner of a COX 6036 out there somewhere, he must be hearing about this for the first time. The chassis number(s) is/are COB 6036

You are of course correct. The car was in Germany and, without referring back to the records, I assumed it was LHD. IT is RHD and a COB car!

[london]

Having now heard some of the detailed background to this case, I feel more sympathy for Steve Gray than the other party, whatever the law says.

[Nedsel]

Maybe sympathy isn't the right emotion. Steve knew when he bought the wrecked remains that the VIN had been legally transferred to a different car.