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What I find ironic about this news is that it was actually Holden that kept alive the GM-based V8-rear wheel drive "sedan" platform for the U.S. market when Chevrolet/Pontiac were still toying with other ideas. The GTO was largely a Holden offspring. Same can be said for the 2014 SS Sedan. I hope that Australia gets the Corvette/Camaro line-up...you earned it.
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Why the big surprise the decision was made over 6 years ago!!!😳😣😳
... And nobody listened... Ah that will never happen they said!!! %/%/ They all saw the new VF in development and that was seen as a start to a new chapter!! The government here should have followed the lead of the US they prop up the industry by becoming stake holders in the companies.. You want money we'll buy part of your company!! Certainly a better way of controlling where your money goes and better than pi$$in money against a wall!...like our spineless soft c0ck politically correct MPs do !! #justsayin |
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None of my facts are made up. Theres nothing to be learned from your dribble. Go and put some oil on your dipstick, youre a dry well of knowledge. Congratulate yourself on being in the 70% category. |
Well hopefully with no Australia car industry to 'protect' now that the import legislation will be amended to reflect such!
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IMO I think you're ALL missing the most important point to my mind.
I don't care either way which manufacture you do or don't support, but vehicle manufacturing is second only to aerospace engineering from the technical view point. Loose the ability to produce & manufacture such technology and our country is the biggest loser. When our Govt decided to not support all facets Australian manufacturing in its purchasing policy more than 20+ years ago in favour of short sited fiscal savings, we started loosing our manufacturing base. The money saved then had to go back to industries that tried to survive not having big enough local markets. In a free market economy that's okay, BUT in reality, we don't have that here. Both sides of politics are to blame here, along with the mongrels having no common sense what so ever ! Top that off with elected members having little to no experience in running a business and this is the result that we most likely deserve :CRY: Enough said. |
The new import Mustang isn't too impressive either...looks like a mazda !
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Australia is becoming the dearest place to live in the world which doesn't help
Toyota has been outselling cars in the usa for many years fuel goes up big cars don't sell why the hell would u buy a new ve commodore when within afew months its worth half what you paid new I used to work for diahatsu 2 decades ago and we didn't make much on selling cars they were hoping the customers would bring their cars back for consistant servicing and they did these days when it costs anywhere from 100 bucks to 150 bucks an hour to service your car at a dealership depending if its holden or mazda or Honda or location and I found closer to city got super expensive for a service and now everyone is tight for money no one is getting their cars serviced even the local guys are stuggling as I know afew of them I am always getting calls people begging for their cars to be fixed because the immoiliser has shat itself and I tell them could cost couple hundred up to 1000 then they cry and say im a pensioner so theres not much u can do except tell them to take it to dealer because I don't want to have the job blow out and then they winge where as the dealer will screw u from day one hehehe anyway if the govt want to give me a hand out to keep my business running and me have a holiday then ill gladly vote to give holden a hand out hehehe the late model jeeps should be very cheap as some are piss poor quality and made in mexico I guess that explains it all |
also its not just holden closing down
a lot of small shops are closing down especially in the touristy areas we went up tamborine mountain 3 weeks ago and more than 6 shops had closed down from afew months ago unfortunately the govt doesn't have graphs or gives a fk about the small business shops more people every day are getting poorer not richer and the dirty banks are reaming us because the govt is on their side |
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Personally, I love your cars and will miss them. Excellent quality and performance. Best, Bret. |
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As Rog suggests. Govt procurement policy changes 20 years ago was the deathnell. Aka The Free Trade Agreement.
The FTA's across the board is what has killed aussie manufacturing. Coupled with all the other stuff like unions and the political BS. They all must share some blame. I do like what Lindsey Fox said yesterday though regarding the govt propping up holden. To paraphrase. "If you continually feed the lion at the zoo and then put him out into the wild he'll have forgotten how to hunt and simply just wait for someone to come and feed him. And if that doesn't happen he'll die." Ironic the use of the lion analogy! |
after working in both holden & ford engine plants as a contractor in the 90s i have seen the full force of the union at both plants, and lets just say laws dont seem to apply to unions when it comes to cutting paddlocks and danger tags of machines when it comes to blokes working without a union ticket, no ticket no work.
but it will come full circle when there is no workforce there is no point for a union. |
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if you think about it ,maybe Australia would be a different country if we had our own steel mills instead of sending our iron overseas and then buying it back this type of thing has been our downfall for years,we seem to be a liquidation shop in the form of a country,sold of just about every asset we had including ports ,who the hell sells a port :CRY:then we buy outdated technology at overinflated prices..the whole thing is bad...well what happens when there is nothing left,...doc
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We sold it to Japan pre WW2 and they sent it back to us on the back of some TNT! (Just as a side note, my pop got called up, loaded and then told to get off the transport ships on the way to PNG 4 times. In the end he never got there. I can't even imagine the anxiety that he must have experienced with wife and 3kids at home. Tuff old bastard!) Back on topic..... |
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PIG IRON BOB MENZIES, thats how he got his nickname. Little johnny howards hero. My dad was in the Air Force in PNG, never spoke about it. |
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Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. I think Tomcat's opening line in post 16 says it all. Jeep have assembly plants in Jefferson (Michigan), Toledo (Ohio) and Belvidere (Illinois). I think if you look at a map you will find these areas are in the USA. Back to the topic. As well as GM shutting down, this will put pressure on component manufacturers, which in turn could effect Toyota. More than likely by the end of 2017 there won't be any auto manufacturing left in Australia, component manufacturers will have shut down or moved off shore. This will have devastating effect on the economies in Victoria and South Australia. It will be anyone's guess how many jobs will be affected when this does happen. Although it was 100 jobs lost, it is interesting that the media did not give much time on the Kellogs cereal packaging plant shutting down in Australia and moving to Thailand. I suppose there would not have been the same sensationalism as shutting down of the production of the perceived "Australia's" own car. Unless GM are willing to put a 4cyl in the Camaro or Corvette and make them available to England and Europe like Ford did with the Mustang they are not going to spend a lot of money developing a RHD version for a niche market like Australia selling maybe 100 per month. Warren |
Aside from manufacturing a product which the customer wants to buy, high wages can be competitive provided productivity is high enough to justify them. I constantly hear our productivity is falling behind the rest of the world, that may be correct, but we will never learn to improve this, unless we understand how we compare and how we can improve.Generalised statements are always vague, I am sure specific productivity comparisons are available to those in the know in each industry, and more importantly the detail of the productivity work practices. If the Japanese are much more productive at manufacturing a car, then it should not be rocket science for the industry to explain how they achieve this. If its down to work procedures and processes and not a significant wage disparity, then what have we failed to learn or copy in Australia? Ford , GM and significantly Toyota must have bucket loads of data which they will have tried to replicate in Australia, but to no avail perhaps. Maybe its as simple as economies of scale? Comparing apples with apples and this is important, we dont want to compare building a hyundia to a Ferrari, what are the production line personnel in Japan, Korea , USA doing differently in their working day to us in Australia?
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Herein lies the real facts about GMH folding, go back and read your quote you posted up about the last 10.5 billion in shares being sold by the US Govt last monday. There is no more money coming from the american taxpayer to prop up GM USA who are in serious trouble. Wednesday morning in Australia, GMH announces its closure. You dont have to be einstein to work that one out. I knew this had happened, but this info is not readily published in any australian media, they like to keep everyone downunder dumbed down so the 70%s blame the unions etc. This company has been surviving worldwide on taxpayers handouts by bribing governments, while their CEOS have been flying around the world in their private jets. Another Fact, When the american car industry fell in a heap in 2008 under Bushs watch, Barack Obama in 2009 called in the heads of the big three car companies, the CEO of GM flew into Washington DC in his BIG ostentacious jet and Obama was not amused, such a display of greedy arrogance for a company in deep trouble was not going to be tolerated. He called for his head, and he got it, the CEO was sacked and im pretty sure all the board resigned. Total ineptude at the top of the company. Thats whats wrong with this world, all corporate debt is being transfered to the citizens of countries by conservative governments, thats the real story of what happened in Greece and Spain. But you wont read anything about that in Murdocks newspapers or on ****tell |
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