Bellhousing

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by kgs365

isnt this all moot if you have to cut the bottom off anyways?...its never going to be SFI certified...In my build it specifically calls for triming the bottom off!...its not going to matter SFI or non SFI

I think Jason's point is more towards the need for "complete and full disclosure" when it comes to a product that is aimed at the safety of life and limb, and, it's a fair question as to whether QT has really done that. FWIW, here is what you have to do in an ERA with a Lakewood. Clearly, mine would not get certified.

[D-CEL]

Brent,
Several points:
1) Clearly this design is incapable of containing an explosion at half the SFI required energy. The video is proof of that.
2) Based on my conversations with the QT rep and SFI, it appears that this design has never been subjected to the SFI testing and as such their advertising is misleading at best, deceptive at worst.
3) Bossofu took QuickTime’s advertising at face value, fortunately it only cost him a stack of money.

I completely agree with you as to where the fault rests in this failure. Bossofu freely admits the blame is his and his alone.
However,
His decision to purchase this model was based if not completely, in MAJOR part on the information stated in QT’s web site and from resellers that so loudly tout it. You yourself have gone on record many times, on this forum waving the QT company banner, following lock and step. Promoting and selling the “better” Quicktime product. You go so far as to make fun of the “pretty sticker” that assures the purchaser of compliance. QuickTime sold you the line that the two different designs are the same and you in turn sold the people who trusted you.
What should have been a easy fix and a chance to improve the product, now looks like blatantly false advertising followed by feeble attempts to shift blame away from a “less-than 6.1” design.
How many people have purchased this design believing that it offers the same level of protection as the 6.1 certed part#? What is the culpability of the manufacturer if an injury or death occurs?

If this discussion helps someone make an informed decision based on truthful information and the knowledge of what can happen, than it was worth all the effort.


Kgs365
Some will argue that removing 3 or 4 of the lower containment bolts (to improve ground clearance) while negatively affecting the strength, is not enough to cause a containment failure as there are still 4-6 large fasteners below the mid line, bolting the housing directly to the block plate.

I for one would love to see that tested!


Jason

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by D-CEL

Some will argue that removing 3 or 4 of the lower containment bolts (to improve ground clearance) while negatively affecting the strength, is not enough to cause a containment failure as there are still 4-6 large fasteners below the mid line, bolting the housing directly to the block plate.

I for one would love to see that tested!

Yes, after trimming the Lakewood, kgs365 would still have six 1/2 - 13 x 1" Grade 8 Bolts below the block line, as you can see from my photo.

[blykins]

If you would like to do a little more detective work, I would suggest asking Ross McCombs (the designer of all the bellhousings) to comment publically. Personally, I wouldn't put much stock in any other testimonies, especially from someone from a totally different company, who before 4-5 months ago, had never seen a Quicktime bellhousing before. Whether or not he has seen SFI testing is really not part of the equation.

Again, I'm taking Ross' public confessions (over emails and public forums) at face value. I have no other reason to.

To say that an SFI 6.1 bellhousing would not have failed is pure speculation, with no proof to back it up.

Now, I would call back and make the Q/T guy clarify: If it doesn't have the lower containment bolts, are you saying that it wouldn't pass testing period, or it wouldn't be approved for SFI 6.1 rules...?

I also would watch how you involve my name and company in this. Even if you don't have intentions of coming across as, "Brent is in kahuts with Quicktime and he's helping spread this propaganda lie...", it could be misconstrued as that.

I have my own personal opinions and beliefs, but like everyone else, I am relying on the advertising and testimonies of Quicktime and the owner of Quicktime.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by blykins

"Brent is in kahuts with Quicktime and he's helping spread this propaganda lie..."

Cahoots, Brent.