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Keep this thing down to a minor roar or we'll throw water (not koolaid) all over it.
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So we can assume that you know for a fact that FFR met with Bilstein and specified the parameters of the shock to be built for them? If you do not know this as fact, then you are also guessing. As far as deciding what is worth discussing, trust me, you do not make that decision. |
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ok, can I PLEASE post on your forum? pretty please? |
that is an Obama answer. forget the question?
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I don't understand why, as FFR customers, you are not pressing these guys for a legitmate resolution to the issue????? There should be a collective voice forcing the issue instead of waiting for a disaster to occur. You are asking members of this forum for data on the failures....WHY NOT ASK FFR?????? If they gave the specs to Bilstein to design a shock for their roadster, don't you think they would have the data? Maybe their specs were wrong.....ever think of that? IMO, I think it has dragged on because too many on the FFR forum are praising the Smiths for their 'quick reaction'. I think its far from acceptable the way its been handled. And that just my opinion.....so neener...neener. |
"Bucko...neener neener"
How cute. Just like a five year old. "If you wish to know the mind of a man, listen to his words". |
Hey...I'm not the one with the shock problem...if you guys went after FFR the way you go after folks responding, maybe you'd have an answer from them by now. At least on this forum, the moderators let you discuss the problem.
Yes, I am a 5 year old that successfully built two Cobras on my own....and they did not have these problems. |
For the people that like a little vodka in their Koolaid, What do we think about my nuts? I'm not an engineer, but I can make or break anything.. I believe in them enough to send them out for free... In the hopes that St. Peter will overlook some of the other stuff...
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I haven't been part of the discussion over on the FFR site because I left there due to all the problems you guys have cited several years ago. I have probably one of the oldest FFR's around, 1056. I know of only 5 or 6 that are older. It's been on the road for 11 years. I run Carrera's on my car and have had absolutely no problems in all of the years and I drive on a lot of country roads that are pretty brutal on the car. To me it doesn't matter if it's Bilstein's fault or FFR's, the responsability lies with FFR. They need to step up to the plate and save somebody's life. They can then fight it out with Bilstein.
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FFR should step up, But it's been years now. Something has to get done before someone dies. I could just picture my old girlfriend at my funeral " I told him it was stupid to build your own car, If that boob listened to me he'd still be alive."
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hey hoofer, you shoed us yer nuts, how about a pichur of your old girlfreinds boobs
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Now wonder your nuts are broken. That was way too much rack for them to handle. ;)
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Very nice Hoof!
I am guessing Bilstein are not cooperating because they suplied the shock as requested. FFR converted it to a coilover and decided it would work at an angle I think this is basically true. The vast majority of the shock failures have been attributed to 'bad' springs that were being sent out, supposedly after a supplier changed their specs. These springs had too many coils and on a hard bump would lock up sending all that energy right into the shaft. The other thing that was happening was the spring becoming unloaded at full droop and coming back to rest on the cup in a cockeyed position, putting large side-loads on the shaft. These are all things out of B-stein's hands and IMO they shouldn't have to answer for it. Besides the things I mentioned above I think an underlying reason for the breakage is that the B-steins simply are too small. I don't have the buckage right now to buy the Konis but I have a friend that did and gave me his old Pro Shocks. Besides this shock being an actual coil-over rather than a conversion the shaft is .070" larger, the body larger and the spring dia larger. Why in the hell, if not simply to save money, would they have downsized the shocks? |
Hoofa, damn nice of you to step up and try to help, and if the nuts decrease the stress on the offending area of the shock it would seem wise to use them at least untill another option comes along.
The SPF coupes had a similiar problem where the front suspension broke on a few cars. All were under track conditions, however, it was still not acceptable. SPf sent out replacement parts to every owner to rectify the problem. Now that is of course a much smaller number than the FFR situation, but the point is that it was taken care of quickly and at no expense to the owners. What does that say about SPF? it says they screwed up and the owners raised hell and SPF fixed the problem before someone was hurt. |
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