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patrickt 04-24-2014 12:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BAsque1 (Post 1297257)
Patrick:
do you have a part # for this KN air filter?
Tks
Lou
What you see is a K&N 66-0901 X-Stream Top Filter. I painted the black portion with aluminum enamel paint, and then flattened the existing filter base so a new 9" K&N filter would fit flush. The old K&N filter that fits the chrome Stellings and Hellings filter top is E-2570. The filter that fits the new Xtreme top is E-2620. Even with the base modifications to flatten the lip, either filter system can be used.

BAsque1 04-24-2014 12:20 PM
tks buddy

patrickt 04-24-2014 12:44 PM
And when I say "flatten the existing filter base" I am referring to the outside circumference of the existing base. You make small peripheral cuts, on the outside lip, maybe about a half inch between each cut, then just flatten it out. Like this:

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/500/flat001.jpg

Cashburn 04-24-2014 02:09 PM
There are 9" flat filter bases for about $14 or less at Summit, and you get a paper filter and chrome-ish lid with it.

Dimis 04-24-2014 02:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cashburn (Post 1297270)
There are 9" flat filter bases for about $14 or less at Summit, and you get a paper filter and chrome-ish lid with it.
You don't by chance have a link or part number?

BAsque1 04-24-2014 02:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1297262)
And when I say "flatten the existing filter base" I am referring to the outside circumference of the existing base. You make small peripheral cuts, on the outside lip, maybe about a half inch between each cut, then just flatten it out. Like this:

http://208.255.159.239/flat001.jpg
Is this the base of the S&H? I wonder if it will fit my turkey pan unless these are all the same size because the S&H is 8 1/2 " in diam.
Lou

BAsque1 04-24-2014 02:56 PM
Ok no worries the Turkey pan is 11" wide I just measured it. BY the way I looked at my filter element in the S&H and the foam looks a bit dirty so that might have something to do. I cannot understand why, for it is relatively new.

Dimis 04-24-2014 03:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BAsque1 (Post 1297275)
Ok no worries the Turkey pan is 11" wide I just measured it. BY the way I looked at my filter element in the S&H and the foam looks a bit dirty so that might have something to do. I cannot understand why, for it is relatively new.
That right there could be the reason you're running rich.

1. Dirty filter hurting air flow and/or

2. Simply changing to a foam can restrict air flow messing with fuel air ratio.

Did you swap filter like for like?

Cashburn 04-24-2014 04:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimis (Post 1297272)
You don't by chance have a link or part number?
Not handy, search for a Spectre 9" air cleaner.

patrickt 04-24-2014 05:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BAsque1 (Post 1297273)
Is this the base of the S&H? I wonder if it will fit my turkey pan unless these are all the same size because the S&H is 8 1/2 " in diam.
Lou
Yes it is. And the cool thing is that, should you desire, you can swap the S&H back on top of the flattened base with its original filter and it still looks just the same as it always did. But be forewarned, you are going to have to adjust your carb for the new increased flow, so switching back and forth is not really realistic except for a quick show or something.

BAsque1 04-25-2014 03:32 PM
got it I figured I had to readjust the carb for the new air flow.
Tks Patrick
Lou

patrickt 04-25-2014 04:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BAsque1 (Post 1297445)
got it I figured I had to readjust the carb for the new air flow.
Tks Patrick
Lou
Lou, you might enjoy doing a little experiment. Measure your secondary opening rate with a zip tie before you change out the filter. Then run the car with the new Xtreme filter and you'll find the secondaries no longer open. Here is my thread on that and me putting on the cool QF Adjustable Secondary Housing. http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/holl...-question.html

gsharapa 04-25-2014 06:42 PM
Nick Action at Acton Cobra now sells my 9 inch K&N setup.

MAXX Air System MAXX Air System [427 289 CSX CCX KMP ACE HT SPF] - $267.40 : Acton Custom Enterprises, Custom Metal for Cobras

Wizbamsc 04-25-2014 06:49 PM
Turkey Pan on 427 S/O
 
My 489 aluminum Tunnelport would not run with the turkey pan. Talked to Wally Peet at Pomona for the Cobra 50th anniversary and he confirmed that at low rpm the carb draws more air from the sides instead of from above. I removed the turkey pan and it runs great.

gsharapa 04-25-2014 08:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizbamsc (Post 1297465)
My 489 aluminum Tunnelport would not run with the turkey pan. Talked to Wally Peet at Pomona for the Cobra 50th anniversary and he confirmed that at low rpm the carb draws more air from the sides instead of from above. I removed the turkey pan and it runs great.
So you say it wouldn't run....does that mean it was to lean or rich or ?

BAsque1 04-26-2014 09:22 AM
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Does anyone knows where can I get the turkey pan rim seal trimhttp://www.clubcobra.com/forums/memb...-rim-seal.html

gsharapa 04-26-2014 09:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BAsque1 (Post 1297534)
Does anyone knows where can I get the turkey pan rim seal trimhttp://www.clubcobra.com/forums/memb...-rim-seal.html
Try this place..

McMaster-Carr

Wizbamsc 04-26-2014 11:05 AM
Turkey pan
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BAsque1 (Post 1297128)
Sorry Lou,
I got nothing, other than ceaning out the air filter... :o

I must say however, that's one nice engine bay you have there Pat.
Do you run that fuel pressure gauge full time, or is it just a plug n play for adjusting settings?

Only reason I ask is bc I like the look of it, but am having 2nd thoughts with all these engine fire stories.

Ps. Sorry for the hi-jack. :(
I have a Snellings air filter, I was considering the idea to use a filter from KN which will give me more air flow, like the one posted by Patrick. I will post a picture of my engine next.
http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/memb...e-oiler-1.html[/quote]

Quote:
Originally Posted by gsharapa (Post 1297477)
So you say it wouldn't run....does that mean it was to lean or rich or ?
Gary, it would run super rich, foul the plugs, and die.

Grubby 04-26-2014 09:21 PM
Does anyone know the CFM capability of the K&N E-2570 and E-2600? These are the two that closely match the size of the S&H turkey pan filter.

There is a lot of guessing and theories that the typical turkey pan filters don't flow enough.

I suspect the filters flow enough for typical street rpms. If no one knows the rated flows I will call K&N and ask.

John

Grubby 04-26-2014 09:31 PM
Guys,

I found a calculator on the K&N website. It shows that a 447cid with max 6000 rpm would need a filter 5.76" tall x 8.188" OD. The typical S&H replacement is 1.875" tall.


A=(CID X RPM) / 20,839

A = effective filtering area
CID = cubic inch displacement
RPM = revolutions per minute at maximum power


Example: A 350 CID Chevy engine with a horsepower peak at 5,500 rpm.

A=(350 X 5500) / 20,839 = 92.4 square inches

**********************



H=(A/D*3.14)+0.75

A = effective filtering area
H = height
D = outside diameter of the filter
3.14 = pi
0.75 = the rubber end caps


Example:

H=(92.4 / 12 * 3.14)+0.75 = 3.20 inches



John


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