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Old 11-06-2022, 09:27 AM
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There seems to be a lot of contention as to what a running 427 side oiler is worth.
I am in negotiations to purchase an older build that requires TLC. Any advise would be appreciated
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Not worth more than it would cost to buy this and parts to rebuild and labor vs. just buying a block and building your own. Plus shipping is not cheap unless you can pick it up locally. It's not going to fund your retirement program. Plus, if you start with a new block you know what you've got and testing the old one is an additional expense.

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There seems to be a lot of contention as to what a running 427 side oiler is worth.
I am in negotiations to purchase an older build that requires TLC. Any advise would be appreciated
Thx u
Dave
Do you mean what value does it add to a Cobra replica? Or what a 427 sideoiler core is worth to build? Or what is a built and running sideoiler worth? Original block or aftermarket block?
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Hi guys,
There seems to be a lot of contention as to what a running 427 side oiler is worth.
I am in negotiations to purchase an older build that requires TLC. Any advise would be appreciated
Thx u
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Engine block casting and date codes?
Screw in, or press in freeze plugs?
Overbore? If so, how much?
Heads, casting and date codes?
Ford intake, single 4V or 2X4V, part numbers on intake and carbs, date codes on carbs?
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Unless you are attempting to restore an original car that came with a side oiler to period correct specs it probably has little value. Even the original cars did not use a 427 side oiler in every vehicle

From a horsepower perspective it adds nothing. From an engine longevity perspective on a high banked NASCAR oval there can be an argument for them. Nearly 60 year old block castings are a bad bet for reliability.

Instead get yourself a new 427 iron block from someone like BBM that uses modern casting technology. You will have an excellent foundation for more hp than you will possibly be safe with, using a durable modern and new block casting. BTW the BBM cast iron block is done as a side oiler. Click here => BBM 427 cast Iron Side Oiler.
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Instead get yourself a new 427 iron block from someone like BBM that uses modern casting technology.
Anyone have a clue as to when they'll be back in stock?
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Anyone have a clue as to when they'll be back in stock?
BBM and Robert Pond advertise aftermarket iron 427 FE
with priority oiling design improvements and metallurgy.
But I would bet these are cast only in batch quantities.

https://robertpondmotorsports.com/products
https://bearblockmotors.com/bbm-cast...-engine-block/

Brent might be a source for availability on a BBM
https://lykinsmotorsports.com/products

Could get "rainbow and unicorn fart lucky" and find
one or the other on Ebay.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD0WMGL6dCw

Good vid by Brent. Towards the end when priming you can see some of the "fun" and oddity's the BBM blocks can have. All of his video's are very good and well worth the time to watch and educate yourself.
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Wow... for what you spend on one of those blocks you shouldn't have to hunt around fixing pin hole leaks. I was mad watching this video and it wasn't even my engine.

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Good vid by Brent. Towards the end when priming you can see some of the "fun" and oddity's the BBM blocks can have. All of his video's are very good and well worth the time to watch and educate yourself.
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Anyone have a clue as to when they'll be back in stock?

Best way to find out is contact the source. The source is BBM.
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Wow... for what you spend on one of those blocks you shouldn't have to hunt around fixing pin hole leaks. I was mad watching this video and it wasn't even my engine.
Note to self:
An iron block from BBM needs to be
Magnaflux (MPI) tested before assembly.

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Magnaflux will detect cracks. I am not certain what the visual appearance of a pin hole would look like in a Magnaflux inspection.
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Do yourself a favor if you're looking at aftermarket FE blocks and go with Robert Pond.

I have issues with practically every BBM block I use. Caps numbered backwards, bearing tang grooves cut on wrong sides, thrust surfaces not cut square to block, drill throughs on oil passages, porosity (oil leaks as mentioned up above, even had to sleeve a brand new block once), pipe plug holes tapped too deep, etc. I hate to poo-poo on any company providing aftermarket engine parts, but my goodness, I get tired of fixing stuff and then being liable for it when the engine is delivered.

Not that the caps numbered backwards or bearing tang grooves really cause any issues, because they don't, but it just goes to show that there is no QC and the people working on the blocks are not engine guys.....the #1 cap is not the rear cap........
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Do yourself a favor if you're looking at aftermarket FE blocks and go with Robert Pond.

I have issues with practically every BBM block I use. Caps numbered backwards, bearing tang grooves cut on wrong sides, thrust surfaces not cut square to block, drill throughs on oil passages, porosity (oil leaks as mentioned up above, even had to sleeve a brand new block once), pipe plug holes tapped too deep, etc. I hate to poo-poo on any company providing aftermarket engine parts, but my goodness, I get tired of fixing stuff and then being liable for it when the engine is delivered.

Not that the caps numbered backwards or bearing tang grooves really cause any issues, because they don't, but it just goes to show that there is no QC and the people working on the blocks are not engine guys.....the #1 cap is not the rear cap........
What a mission... I just watched the video clip - what a nightmare! Wants you to quit your day job...

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