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1985 CCX 01-30-2025 02:30 PM
Engine choices FE or 427 Windsor
 
I have a friend looking to install a motor in a SPF.
The choices range from Shelby FE with injection to a Roush 427 SB.
He feels injection is a keeper. He is thinking Weber stack type injection.
Choices……..
…………….Shelby FE
or
…………….…..Roush 427 stroker
or
Recommendations………

What do you think as I only know 60’s iron. He wants new not old….
He is after light weight reliability with power of old.
Thoughts and why appreciated.

Also, transmission of choice.

twobjshelbys 01-30-2025 04:10 PM
I had roush fuel injected lots of probs with it as described here. Engine was great itself only the efi system. They switched systems and seem to be better. Another local cobra owner had the carb version and tuned to the denver altitude loved it.

Does shelby sell complete engines or just blocks

1985 CCX 01-30-2025 04:42 PM
SEC
https://www.shelbyengines.com/collec...lby-fe-engines

eschaider 01-30-2025 05:26 PM
We used to have an Advanced Engine Decision Tree Logic Diagram that took the decision process right down to the basics. I think I still have it somewhere. Lets see ...

Oh yes! Here it is;

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/d...gine_Logic.jpg

Harpoon PV2 01-30-2025 09:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1985 CCX (Post 1526921)
A quick look at the Windsor 427s, and they are going to be putting down more horse power at the rear wheel then the 60s 427s were putting out at the crank! Combine that with a much better chassis then either the 427 or AC289, he will have a winning combination! Cheers, Dennis

twobjshelbys 01-30-2025 11:04 PM
Fir tranmission go tremec

1985 CCX 02-02-2025 09:54 AM
Let’s add in Blare Patrick or Cozzy.
Both I understand are top notch.

767Jockey 02-02-2025 10:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1985 CCX (Post 1526954)
Let’s add in Blare Patrick or Cozzy.
Both I understand are top notch.
I have a Blair Patrick built 520" BBM based FE in my car. 744HP, reliable, and Blair is a pleasure to deal with.

CompFi 02-02-2025 04:51 PM
I have been following this thread with keen interest. But hesitant to offer my opinion, given that so many others here know these engines far better than me.

But one thing for consideration here. Resale value. The market typically favors the FE. Markets fluctuate of course but that trend seems rather consistent.

Not that I would encourage your buddy to build his car for the next owner. But if he remains undecided, then the FE might be the way to go for its resale value down the road.

patrickt 02-02-2025 05:28 PM
... if you stuff a SBF in a 427 style car everyone on the planet will be disappointed when they look in the engine compartment, including you. The nice thing about FEs is that they all look alike in a Cobra, including side oilers. Put a stroked and bored iron block 390 in there and you will be much happier. And any experienced FE builder can get you more horsepower out of that mill than you will ever need or use.:cool:

PDUB 02-03-2025 01:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1526958)
... if you stuff a SBF in a 427 style car everyone on the planet will be disappointed when they look in the engine compartment, including you. The nice thing about FEs is that they all look alike in a Cobra, including side oilers. Put a stroked and bored iron block 390 in there and you will be much happier. And any experienced FE builder can get you more horsepower out of that mill than you will ever need or use.:cool:
For a budget 427, Patrick is spot-on! On top of that, Blair won the 2019 Engine Masters Challenge with a 390FE!! You can find out the info on the interweb...

Mark IV 02-03-2025 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by CompFi (Post 1526957)
I have been following this thread with keen interest. But hesitant to offer my opinion, given that so many others here know these engines far better than me.

But one thing for consideration here. Resale value. The market typically favors the FE. Markets fluctuate of course but that trend seems rather consistent.

Not that I would encourage your buddy to build his car for the next owner. But if he remains undecided, then the FE might be the way to go for its resale value down the road.
Yes, an FE will sell for more, but it originally cost more. Many see to ignore that point. There are some bragging rights with an FE, but as none of these cars are 1960's AC Thames Ditton built cars that is a warm fuzzy for the owner and a negotiating point for a potential purchaser.

mrmustang 02-03-2025 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by CompFi (Post 1526957)
Not that I would encourage your buddy to build his car for the next owner. But if he remains undecided, then the FE might be the way to go for its resale value down the road.



If you are buying a new Cobra replica for it's resale value down the road, you shouldn't buy it at all.




Bill S.

1985 CCX 02-03-2025 07:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmustang (Post 1526961)
If you are buying a new Cobra replica for it's resale value down the road, you shouldn't buy it at all.




Bill S.
Bill and all,

Its a point to try and protect the cash outlay and another NOT to look to gain.
No gain in this operation, just clean power and reliability. With EFI the originality is moot, its smiles looked for but he is not looking to LS1 or Hemi the car as that rolls back to "Yuck"....

Looking for clean, reliable, support and smiles at this juncture. My friend looking to drive vs tinker and drive.

mrmustang 02-03-2025 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 1985 CCX (Post 1526963)
Bill and all,

Its a point to try and protect the cash outlay and another NOT to look to gain.
No gain in this operation, just clean power and reliability. With EFI the originality is moot, its smiles looked for but he is not looking to LS1 or Hemi the car as that rolls back to "Yuck"....

Looking for clean, reliable, support and smiles at this juncture. My friend looking to drive vs tinker and drive.

In that case I highly recommend a Ford crate engine, specifically M-6007-X2347DR




Plenty of HP and Torque, plus it will run on whatever pump fuel is available over the road.


Bill S.

Thor maine 02-03-2025 10:35 AM
Just go with a GM LS and forget all this playing around !

eschaider 02-03-2025 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by mrmustang (Post 1526966)
In that case I highly recommend a Ford crate engine, specifically M-6007-X2347DR




Plenty of HP and Torque, plus it will run on whatever pump fuel is available over the road.


Bill S.
OP,

Bill's recommendation is not only a real smart way to go, it is spot on!

As others have already commented, these cars are reproductions, replicas, not even clones, unless you buy a Kirkham and even those still have differences. A good replica will, for the most part, be;
  • Visually indistinguishable from an original, to a casual observer,
  • Very likely to outperform the original because of technological improvements in the last half-century,
  • A better driving experience than a brand new Cobra 60 years ago, for the same reason.
Don't piss away hard-earned money on meaningless attributes that only a dilettante would pay attention to. In the end he will not buy your car when you sell it! Period correct madness only pisses away bushel baskets of money on $hit that doesn’t matter to anyone who has the money to buy the car. Most importantly, it doesn’t make the car any better to drive — which is what should be important to you as the buyer, owner, and builder!

BTW, as a closing thought, these cars are not investments! Don’t get sucked down that rabbit hole. They are play toys that you have enough money to buy, build, and enjoy.

patrickt 02-03-2025 02:10 PM
... and we all joke from time to time about FEs marking their territory, requiring constant attention, etc. but the truth is that FEs are incredibly durable and hard to break. If you ask blykins "can you build me a stroked and bored FE that will go 100,000 miles and make over 400HP every step of the way?" he's likely to say "I could build that in my sleep.":cool:

1985 CCX 02-06-2025 08:34 AM
Tom,

Dont be silly


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