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04-03-2010, 06:08 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 539, a Ton of Aluminum
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Copper Kirkham For Sale
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04-03-2010, 06:17 PM
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Recommending a Roush "427" and Toploader for $33K...
Must be the new platinum alloy block and heads Roush supplies.
Unbelievable. 
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04-03-2010, 06:37 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Black CSX 4910, Roush 511 8 stack
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This car was for sale 2 years ago. Did it never sell or sold and being resold? I wonder what the origianl build cost with the copper body was?
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04-03-2010, 06:39 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 184/482ci Shelby
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I recall talking to the two gents who first bought it when we were waiting for our planes out of SLC...they really thought they knew everything there was to know about the Kirkhams (I pretty much passed myself off as just an attendee to the open house).
I didn't mention that Sammich and I had to each lift one side of the hood to get it off the body. Given the heft, I'm thinking a 1,000 hp ought to produce the performance of a modern GM V6 in this thing.
Don't get me wrong...assolutely stunning to look at.
1 of 12? LMFAO 
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04-03-2010, 06:50 PM
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Man that poor thing has become a bit of an orphan. It's making it's "annual" round of "for sale" again. I wonder if it's still shiny or has started to turn a little green by now?
Interesting car...
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04-03-2010, 07:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamo
Given the heft, I'm thinking a 1,000 hp ought to produce the performance of a modern GM V6 in this thing.
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OK that explains the cost of the recommendation: TWO 500 HP Roushes ($15K each  ) and a Toploader = $33K.
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04-03-2010, 08:00 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: LA Exotics
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Why was it originally built? I saw this car at WSCB. I've always wondered what the story is.
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04-03-2010, 08:21 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Just a collection of parts right now...
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Two questions. Why are several rivets missing from the hood scoop? and why was it built out of such a thick copper if it is that darned heavy?
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04-03-2010, 10:08 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 707, 446ci FE
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spl310
...why was it built out of such a thick copper if it is that darned heavy?
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I always ass/u/med that it was copper plating on an aluminum skin. If this thing is actually skinned in solid copper, as comments above indicate, I can't imagine its weight. I'd guess the skin would have to be at least 12 gauge (0.08 inches) in most places, thicker in some stress areas. Aluminum is 1.14 pounds per square foot at that gauge; copper is almost four times that. So... complete WAG... skin alone weighs 6-700 pounds?
Copper is a very poor metal to construct things out of - way too soft and reactive. This thing would probably dent from a hard stare, and anything like normal driving would probably shake stress ripples into it. It would also cost you a fortune in metal polish - or were they smart enough to clearcoat the body?
Crazy-ass take, even for the Cobra world.
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04-03-2010, 11:00 PM
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It was a "what if..." They also put a copper-bodied 40s-something Ford roadster on a Ford GT chassis provided by Ford which knocked everyone's socks off at SEMA.
Crazy? Yup...like foxes. Someone bought it, didn't they?
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04-04-2010, 03:35 AM
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I guess they don't have the same grounding issues that glass cars have? 
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04-04-2010, 07:37 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby CSX4005LA, Roush 427IR
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After a few centuries it'll have the patina of the Statue of Liberty.
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04-04-2010, 07:39 AM
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It has great "investment" potential.
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04-04-2010, 08:09 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham, KMP178 / '66 GT350H, 4-speed
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Excaliber
It's making it's "annual" round of "for sale" again.
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There's a "bad penny" line in there somewhere.
Maybe it's too close to April 1, but why do I keep hearing the dialog in my head of Jack Webb and the "Copper Cobra Caper?"
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04-04-2010, 08:49 AM
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Remember a few years ago when there was discussion of eliminating the Penny from our monetary system. Millions were shipped to the Kirkhams and this was the result. Lincoln is screaming.......
and Obama is smiling!
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04-04-2010, 08:53 AM
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Needs a copper plated & polished block & heads.
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04-04-2010, 11:21 AM
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Mark the calendar - CobraEd and I agree on something!
That would be a killer look for this car, wouldn't it? All polished copper and black?
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04-05-2010, 10:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Excaliber
Man that poor thing has become a bit of an orphan. It's making it's "annual" round of "for sale" again. I wonder if it's still shiny or has started to turn a little green by now?
Interesting car...
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That's strange, because I don't remember it being for sale before. Personally, I think it's really cool and would be interested, but for the price. 
Gunner, I'm not sure when it was built and what KMP serial number is, without my handy dandy SAAC Registry in front of me, but if Chas' and Patrick's ERAs are about 2,650 lbs, and my Kirkham weighs in at 2,128, then the additional weight of the copper would bring the total weight of the copper Kirkham, with an aluminum engine, to the approximate weight of an ERA.
To me, that would be one cool car to own, although polishing copper may make polishing aluminum look like a day at the beach. |
04-05-2010, 11:09 AM
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Beat them up on price and buy it Rod. Then swap in your 482 and sell 539 as a roller. You'll do OK-just forget Roush anything.
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04-05-2010, 11:19 AM
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Chas, while I'm dreaming anyway, I would want to keep 539 and then drop my future all-aluminum Cammer in the Copper car. |
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