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map 10-19-2009 10:58 AM
Lord Christopher Monckton
 
Wake up America! Call your Representative and stop this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40

RAZOR 10-19-2009 12:49 PM
Thanks for the post. Unbelievable how did we get here? Thomas Jefferson said that after the Revolutionary War it would all be downhill, it looks like this administration wants to make sure we it rock bottom.

Wayne Maybury 10-20-2009 06:49 AM
Is this a case of someone declaring that the sky is falling or is this a real threat? He is very well spoken and he presents his position very well but he doesn't give any facts. He refers to communists, but he doesn't say who they are or where they are from. The only strong communist regieme in the world today is China but they are also the worst polluters on the planet. Why would they want to get involved in a climate change discussion? I'm confused by this whole thing.

Can someone shed some factual light on this arguement?

Wayne

map 10-20-2009 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Wayne Maybury (Post 994499)
Is this a case of someone declaring that the sky is falling or is this a real threat? He is very well spoken and he presents his position very well but he doesn't give any facts. He refers to communists, but he doesn't say who they are or where they are from. The only strong communist regieme in the world today is China but they are also the worst polluters on the planet. Why would they want to get involved in a climate change discussion? I'm confused by this whole thing.

Can someone shed some factual light on this arguement?

Wayne
I would say his credentials speak for them self to be making these statements what are yours to dispute it?
He's like that Paul Revere guy... The Climate communist are coming.

Bobcat 10-20-2009 07:28 AM
I`m going to have to jump in on Wayne`s side on this . Please understand that I`m not saying what Monckton said isn`t true .... just that my engineering background makes me always look for facts rather than generalities ..... and I don`t see any sources cited here . Maybe someone can shed more light on this , but doesn`t any treaty have to be approved by the Senate before taking effect ?
Looks like I need to dig a little deeper into this .

Bob

Wayne Maybury 10-20-2009 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by map (Post 994500)
I would say his credentials speak for them self to be making these statements what are yours to dispute it?
.
Who said that I was disputing what he said? I was simply saying that while he was very well spoken, he didn't present any facts. I know nothing about his credentials so I am asking what this is all about. Can you add something that backs up his position?

Edit to correct grammar.

Wayne

J. T. Toad 10-20-2009 08:52 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christo...n_of_Brenchley


http://www.globalclimatescam.com/

never mind.

The question at large.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...6676-1,00.html

Dan40 10-20-2009 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by J. T. Toad (Post 994525)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christo...n_of_Brenchley

Awareness in global policy making trumps an engineer's fact questioning any day of the week.

What did you expect him to suck on to get that horse to drink? For those to lazy to to it themselves. The treaty and basis for the ideas presented can be found on this website.....

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/

Is he wrong? We'll find out soon enough. If you want to debate any thread, at least come with SOME research rather than emotional feelings of skepticism.

Even OJ feels he's innocent.

OK, he has good creds. That doesn't prove his case. Not that I think he is wrong, but like the others, I'd like more than opinions. Al Gore, former VP of USA, a fairly good cred. won a Nobel for a movie that was filled with very loose interpretations of questionable 'facts' and in some cases, pure bullsh!t. Also we have BHO, President of the US, also a pretty good cred., and he lies constantly about everything [or he is flat WRONG about everything], so much for good credentials! These dangerous times of 'convenient speak' liberals that will make any claim to achieve their ludicrous goals, we need hard, provable facts, boring as they may be. It is no help for a conservative to blather back at the liberals.

computerworks 10-20-2009 09:22 AM
False fears....no sweat. Another make-believe boogie-man. :LOL:

Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957), is a landmark case in which the United States Supreme Court ruled that the Constitution supersedes international treaties ratified by the United States Senate.

Others as well over the years.

Wayne Maybury 10-20-2009 11:32 AM
OK, he has great credentials but I still don't understand his logic of how an international global warming treaty will lead to communists taking over the world and then some how making this treaty supersede the US Constitution. I just don't follow that line of thought.

Wayne

VRM 10-20-2009 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Wayne Maybury (Post 994568)
OK, he has great credentials but I still don't understand his logic of how an international global warming treaty will lead to communists taking over the world and then some how making this treaty supersede the US Constitution. I just don't follow that line of thought.

Wayne
Wayne,
It's all about whipping the hysterical sheep into a frenzy, and convincing them that they need 'protection' from yet another threat. Politics as usual.:rolleyes:

Steve

RAZOR 10-20-2009 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by VRM (Post 994573)
Wayne,
It's all about whipping the hysterical sheep into a frenzy, and convincing them that they need 'protection' from yet another threat. Politics as usual.:rolleyes:

Steve
OH thats right and Al Gore's sheep were led into calm pastures, with his Inconvenient Sludge, and everyone needs to stop using the phrase, "the sky is falling" because Gore copyrighted it for his sci-fi movie.:cool:

Dan40 10-21-2009 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by computerworks (Post 994533)
False fears....no sweat. Another make-believe boogie-man. :LOL:

Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957), is a landmark case in which the United States Supreme Court ruled that the Constitution supersedes international treaties ratified by the United States Senate.

Others as well over the years.
Like liberals think changing the Constitution is a big deal? Their life goal is to change the most sensible document written into a Utopian fantasized rag.

computerworks 10-21-2009 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan40 (Post 994787)
Like liberals think changing the Constitution is a big deal? Their life goal is to change the most sensible document written into a Utopian fantasized rag.
Forget your glasses again, Dan? ;)

I said that precedent has shown that the Constitution stands, without jeopardy from subsequent treaties.

Dan40 10-21-2009 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by computerworks (Post 994790)
Forget your glasses again, Dan? ;)

I said that precedent has shown that the Constitution stands, without jeopardy from subsequent treaties.

Precedents CHANGE! And seldom for the better.

VRM 10-21-2009 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by RAZOR (Post 994705)
OH thats right and Al Gore's sheep were led into calm pastures, with his Inconvenient Sludge, and everyone needs to stop using the phrase, "the sky is falling" because Gore copyrighted it for his sci-fi movie.:cool:
Gore has his own set of rabid sheep hanging on his every word.

The funny thing is that neither side can prove a damn thing, and both are making assumptions and statements without having enough data to be able to back them up.

I've always adhered to a policy of 'Don't sh!t where you eat'.

Conservatives seem hellbent to do exactly the opposite as often as possible just to prove that they have the freedom to do so.
Their tree-hugger opponents seem determined to keep sh!t from happening altogether.

Both of those stupid and unrealistic 'plans' will eventually leave everyone with a bad taste in their mouthes.:eek:

Steve

Jamo 10-21-2009 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan40 (Post 994792)
Precedents CHANGE! And seldom for the better.
...as with Presidents.

bomelia 10-21-2009 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan40 (Post 994787)
Like liberals think changing the Constitution is a big deal? Their life goal is to change the most sensible document written into a Utopian fantasized rag.
Read my signature. Actual quote of a liberal.

Mike

bomelia 10-21-2009 01:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VRM (Post 994793)

I've always adhered to a policy of 'Don't sh!t where you eat'.
Seriously? Are you sure about this? Because I am pretty sure I've seen you take a few in here before (not to say I never did that):p

Mike

Dan40 10-21-2009 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamo (Post 994814)
...as with Presidents.
Too, too true, and now we have the worst president of ALL TIME. Maybe the worst president there can EVER be!


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