Take no prisoners......literally.....

[SP01715]

I think Ex is proving my point. A high value target responsible for the deaths of many American service members (and civilian contractors), as well as an enemy combatant, possibly gets punched in the mouth and a Lib is crying about it. First, the Geneva Convention does not apply to him and this is a joke to put our troops through a court martial for something trivial. Brutal things happen in war, but like a true lib who has no first hand experience they would rather talk about it in their unicorn and rainbows theoretical world.

[zrayr]

Originally Posted by SP01715

.............. Brutal things happen in war, but like a true lib who has no first hand experience they would rather talk about it in their unicorn and rainbows theoretical world.

you actually don't know what you are talking about.

US Liberals with first hand (war) experience:


George Washington
John Adams
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Paine
Thomas Jefferson
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Theodore Roosevelt
Ulysses Grant
Abraham Lincoln
Andrew Jackson
James Madison
James Monroe
Sen Ted Kennedy
George McGovern ( WW II )
Sen. Jim Webb (Vietnam)
Sen. Chuck Robb (Vietnam)
Sen. Tom Harkins (Vietnam)
Senator Daniel Inouye ( WW II, awarded Congressional Medal of Honor)
Representative Jack Murtha
Representative Daniel K. Akaka (WW II )

and many others, past & present, including my own brother, now deceased, who was a Vietnam vet.

it's no coincidence that most of the returning Iraq vets who are running for Congress are running as Democrats.


Happy Thanksgiving

Z. Ray

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Originally Posted by zrayr

you actually don't know what you are talking about.

US Liberals with first hand (war) experience:


George Washington
John Adams
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Paine
Thomas Jefferson
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Theodore Roosevelt
Ulysses Grant
Abraham Lincoln
Andrew Jackson
James Madison
James Monroe
Sen Ted Kennedy
George McGovern ( WW II )
Sen. Jim Webb (Vietnam)
Sen. Chuck Robb (Vietnam)
Sen. Tom Harkins (Vietnam)
Senator Daniel Inouye ( WW II, awarded Congressional Medal of Honor)
Representative Jack Murtha
Representative Daniel K. Akaka (WW II )

and many others, past & present, including my own brother, now deceased, who was a Vietnam vet.

it's no coincidence that most of the returning Iraq vets who are running for Congress are running as Democrats.


Happy Thanksgiving

Z. Ray

Representative Jack Murtha There's a fine upstanding A$$HOLE!

[SP01715]

Originally Posted by zrayr

you actually don't know what you are talking about.

US Liberals with first hand (war) experience:


George Washington
John Adams
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Paine
Thomas Jefferson
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Theodore Roosevelt
Ulysses Grant
Abraham Lincoln
Andrew Jackson
James Madison
James Monroe
Sen Ted Kennedy
George McGovern ( WW II )
Sen. Jim Webb (Vietnam)
Sen. Chuck Robb (Vietnam)
Sen. Tom Harkins (Vietnam)
Senator Daniel Inouye ( WW II, awarded Congressional Medal of Honor)
Representative Jack Murtha
Representative Daniel K. Akaka (WW II )

and many others, past & present, including my own brother, now deceased, who was a Vietnam vet.

it's no coincidence that most of the returning Iraq vets who are running for Congress are running as Democrats.


Happy Thanksgiving

Z. Ray

I disagree with the above list being liberals. A lot of the founders were small government people. Read some Thomas Jefferson sometime, he was definitely not a liberal. Read the Constitution and the limits it puts on the Federal government. The founders feared a Federal government that was too powerful.

I fought in Iraq in the Army, and I can tell you first hand there are not many libs in the military. I am a registered independent, and I don't trust either party. That said, the dems are taking us down a path right now that does not have a good ending. I think a viable third party would be great for the country. Will it ever happen? I don't know...

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by zrayr

you actually don't know what you are talking about.

US Liberals with first hand (war) experience:


George Washington
John Adams
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Paine
Thomas Jefferson
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Theodore Roosevelt
Ulysses Grant
Abraham Lincoln
Andrew Jackson
James Madison
James Monroe
Sen Ted Kennedy
George McGovern ( WW II )
Sen. Jim Webb (Vietnam)
Sen. Chuck Robb (Vietnam)
Sen. Tom Harkins (Vietnam)
Senator Daniel Inouye ( WW II, awarded Congressional Medal of Honor)
Representative Jack Murtha
Representative Daniel K. Akaka (WW II )

and many others, past & present, including my own brother, now deceased, who was a Vietnam vet.

it's no coincidence that most of the returning Iraq vets who are running for Congress are running as Democrats.


Happy Thanksgiving

Z. Ray

George Washington a liberal? Held his own trials in camp for deserters and took them out and shot them. Was for limited government.

John Adams NEVER served one day of military duty. Was for limited government.

Thomas Paine said "at best government is a necessary evil" not exactly a liberal thought. Not the liberal mantra

Thomas Jefferson also radically against big government, in his writings of Virginia Constitution, after a person was found guilty of a capital crime, they were taken the next day and executed. Only exception was no executions on the Sunday.Jefferson's arch enemy was Alexander Hamilton who was the architect of our Government, and Jefferson thought Hamilton was ruining the fledgling nation with his thoughts of a centralized government. Not a liberal.

Benedict Arnold was also a veteran as Murtha is neither reserve respect for their others despicable behavior.

What these men stood for are considered Conservative Values today. In a different time and use of language they were liberal because they wanted freedom from King George who was the oppressor because he put himself above the law. Today we want freedom King Obama for the same reasons.

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by zrayr

you actually don't know what you are talking about.

US Liberals with first hand (war) experience:


George Washington
John Adams
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Paine
Thomas Jefferson
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Theodore Roosevelt
Ulysses Grant
Abraham Lincoln
Andrew Jackson
James Madison
James Monroe
Sen Ted Kennedy
George McGovern ( WW II )
Sen. Jim Webb (Vietnam)
Sen. Chuck Robb (Vietnam)
Sen. Tom Harkins (Vietnam)
Senator Daniel Inouye ( WW II, awarded Congressional Medal of Honor)
Representative Jack Murtha
Representative Daniel K. Akaka (WW II )

and many others, past & present, including my own brother, now deceased, who was a Vietnam vet.

it's no coincidence that most of the returning Iraq vets who are running for Congress are running as Democrats.


Happy Thanksgiving

Z. Ray

George Washington a liberal? Held his own trials in camp for deserters and took them out and shot them. Was for limited government.

John Adams NEVER served one day of military duty. Was for limited government.

Thomas Paine said "at best government is a necessary evil" not exactly a liberal thought. Not the liberal mantra

Thomas Jefferson also radically against big government, in his writings of Virginia Constitution, after a person was found guilty of a capital crime, they were taken the next day and executed. Only exception was no executions on the Sunday.Jefferson's arch enemy was Alexander Hamilton who was the architect of our Government, and Jefferson thought Hamilton was ruining the fledgling nation with his thoughts of a centralized government. Not a liberal.

Benedict Arnold was also a veteran as Murtha is neither reserve respect for their others despicable behavior.

What these men stood for are considered Conservative Values today. In a different time and use of language they were liberal because they wanted freedom from King George who was the oppressor because he put himself above the law. Today we want freedom King Obama for the same reasons.

[zrayr]

Originally Posted by RAZOR

--------Thomas Jefferson also radically against big government, ---------.

liberals aren't for big government. We are for government that works.

Z.

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by zrayr

liberals aren't for big government. We are for government that works.

Z.

Please inform Obama because it is clear he doesn't know.

[RAZOR]

Originally Posted by zrayr

liberals aren't for big government. We are for government that works.

Z.

You must live in Never Never land, because what you just said is far from reality. Every bit of change Obama has championed has had government as the answer. And BIG BIG government at that. No thinking person would agree with your statement.

Excaliber, The problem is that everything the big O has wanted to act upon is rush, rush, rush. Then he fires one General and hand picks another to give him advice, then when he gets the advice he sits on it for months. While our soldiers are at war. He should put every thing on the back burner and have non stop meeting to make his decision, which should have been made long ago.It makes him appear that his social engineering is much more important to him than the lives of our brave men and women.