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Tommy 03-02-2010 06:10 AM

Too much car automation?
 
A thread elsewhere on this forum is asking for help in fashioning a traction control system (TCS) for a Cobra replica with a big engine in it. It started me thinking about where I would draw the line in automating some of the functions in my car. I can see that solving the technological problems of installing a TCS in a Cobra replica would be interesting and satisfying to do. And I can see that it would likely end up in a car that was quicker off the line most of the time than I would be driving it manually. But I'm reminded of an experimental car I saw demonstrated on Top Gear. It was entirely capable of driving itself around a track at maximum speed once it had put the track layout into its GPS memory. The "driver" simply went along for the ride.

If the objective of a high performance car is to get its passengers to the destination as quickly as possible, then automating traction control, throttle control, shifting, braking, etc. seems a reasonable way to go. But if the objective is to engage the driver in ways that excite and satisfy, automation seems counterproductive. In a Cobra it would seem to serve the same purpose as engines that produce unuseable amounts of excess power. It gives the owner without driving skills something to brag about.

Tom Wells 03-02-2010 06:22 AM

Quote:

Dave Bowman: Open the pod bay doors, Hal.
Hal: I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

:LOL: :lol: :LOL:

Silverback51 03-02-2010 07:24 AM

Traction control is your right foot.

One of the things I love about the Cobra is how primative it is, and I plan on keeping mine that way.

Ron61 03-02-2010 07:44 AM

I agree with John. We had a guy here that spent over $150K putting traction control, remote start, super sound system, and everything else he could think of into his Cobra. It was like a rolling movie theater. He had a fold out of the dash 10" screen that he could watch DVD movies on. When he went to sell the car he almost never found a buyer. To me a Cobra is a raw power no frills car, not a smaller version of a Cadillac.

Ron :D

Wayne Maybury 03-02-2010 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverback51 (Post 1033081)
Traction control is your right foot.

One of the things I love about the Cobra is how primative it is, and I plan on keeping mine that way.

I could not say this any better. I agree 100%.

Wayne

trularin 03-02-2010 06:18 PM

I agree with John.

I design features all day long and there more than I can remember how to use.

:D

ICBomber90 03-02-2010 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverback51 (Post 1033081)
Traction control is your right foot.

One of the things I love about the Cobra is how primative it is, and I plan on keeping mine that way.


X2! Hell, I get pi$$ed when I see PS/PB on a Cobra....

Maurice Butler 03-03-2010 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommy (Post 1033071)
A thread elsewhere on this forum is asking for help in fashioning a traction control system (TCS) for a Cobra replica with a big engine in it. It started me thinking about where I would draw the line in automating some of the functions in my car. I can see that solving the technological problems of installing a TCS in a Cobra replica would be interesting and satisfying to do. And I can see that it would likely end up in a car that was quicker off the line most of the time than I would be driving it manually. But I'm reminded of an experimental car I saw demonstrated on Top Gear. It was entirely capable of driving itself around a track at maximum speed once it had put the track layout into its GPS memory. The "driver" simply went along for the ride.

If the objective of a high performance car is to get its passengers to the destination as quickly as possible, then automating traction control, throttle control, shifting, braking, etc. seems a reasonable way to go. But if the objective is to engage the driver in ways that excite and satisfy, automation seems counterproductive. In a Cobra it would seem to serve the same purpose as engines that produce unuseable amounts of excess power. It gives the owner without driving skills something to brag about.

From years of doing factory automation - if you try and make things idiot proof you get a better class idiot:JEKYLHYDE. no idiot should be allowed to drive a cobra

Ron61 03-03-2010 03:18 AM

:LOL:

Darn it Maurice, quit singling me out to prove your point.

Ron :D

Tommy 03-03-2010 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maurice Butler (Post 1033271)
From years of doing factory automation - if you try and make things idiot proof you get a better class idiot:JEKYLHYDE. no idiot should be allowed to drive a cobra

"There's no such thing as idiot-proof because idiots are so darned inventive." - Anonymous

SPF2245 03-03-2010 12:21 PM

There are two things I'd love to see on my cobra...
1) ABS, I enjoy the help on slick roads and imagine how many hotrods wouldn't be stuck in a fence/wall/ditch with it.
2) Nissan's manual rev-match, cool feature a buddies new Z has. It auto-blips the throttle when you go for a manual down shift...'cause matching revs is cool, but hard to do in a cobra with size 13 feet.

I believe stability control is a nice feature, but it should be like the Corvette or Ferrari...progressive and have multiple settings including OFF! The rest of the gizmos are just reasons to try and bandaid bad drivers from hurting themselves or us, wait, maybe they are a good thing.

Maurice Butler 03-03-2010 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron61 (Post 1033279)
:LOL:

Darn it Maurice, quit singling me out to prove your point.

Ron :D

because you when with the most automated system - gps driving a car - where is the fun in that, may as well be on a train or roller coaster.

Maurice

ps got my hands on the glass for the windscreen - getting closer

tin-man 03-04-2010 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ICBomber90 (Post 1033225)
X2! Hell, I get pi$$ed when I see PS/PB on a Cobra....

Just out of curiosity why would you want to get pissed at somebody else's dream? I am putting PS in my Cobra. cause' I got two snapped roter-cuffs, one in each shoulder. PS gives me the opportunity to enjoy my Cobra without causing excruciating pain when turning into a parking space. So if you happen to see me driving by with a big wide grin in a SPF MK111 with a 511 8 stack rated at 600 HP with the same amount of torque, you'll know why, no pain, but big enjoyment and really DGAF at what anyone thinks. tin-man%/

Ron61 03-04-2010 07:15 AM

I don't think anyone is getting pissed as you put it about what people put on their cars. I had power brakes on mine because they were a big help. It is the $15K sound systems and remote starters and such they I was talking about. And the pop out movie screen that came out of the dash. Even the guy that built the car wished he hadn't put all of that after it was finished and then when he went to sell it he really wished he hadn't done it. I don't care what anyone puts in their car as it is theirs and if they like it that is what counts. I got told more than once that I was a fool for putting in power brakes, but I have a bad leg and hip and they made a lot of difference, especially when racing.

Ron :)

tin-man 03-04-2010 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron61 (Post 1033578)
I don't think anyone is getting pissed as you put it about what people put on their cars. I had power brakes on mine because they were a big help. It is the $15K sound systems and remote starters and such they I was talking about. And the pop out movie screen that came out of the dash. Even the guy that built the car wished he hadn't put all of that after it was finished and then when he went to sell it he really wished he hadn't done it. I don't care what anyone puts in their car as it is theirs and if they like it that is what counts. I got told more than once that I was a fool for putting in power brakes, but I have a bad leg and hip and they made a lot of difference, especially when racing.

Ron :)

Hi Ron, no issues, I was discussing the concept of why somebody would feel that way at what somebody else had put into their ride. Seems to me its kinda personal what each of us do and for some guy to get pissed at the notion of PS seems a bit off the mark as to what this Cobra forum is all about, just my two cents worth. tin-man:)

Ron61 03-04-2010 07:41 AM

:)

I think the only people that really get ticked about anything not like an original are the purists. It was one of them that was on me abut the power brakes and my Cobra was not even close to looking like an original. I never say anything to anyone about what they have on their cars, but I finally pointed out to this person that the originals never came with 750 horse 512 cubic inch engines like he had in his. And I see a lot of things that I think improve the safety and handling of the cars that weren't available back in the early 60s. But just as in all things, cars or otherwise, there are always going to be some people that will tell you all the wrong things you have done. I just ignore them unless they point out something that would work better than what I have.

Ron :)

tin-man 03-05-2010 05:11 AM

Spoken like a true Gent.tin-man

twobjshelbys 03-05-2010 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maurice Butler (Post 1033271)
From years of doing factory automation - if you try and make things idiot proof you get a better class idiot:JEKYLHYDE. no idiot should be allowed to drive a cobra

Yes, and those idiots survive and breed.

Commodore 03-05-2010 09:02 AM

Ron61. Something funny happens when a supposed 'purist' discusses my less than authentic FFR once said 'purist' is told that as a previous 1965 CSX 3--- 427 Cobra owner back in the 60's (yea, I'm old) that my home made toy brings me just as much pleasure.
I'm reminded of a joke where a man arrives at a brothel. While standing naked in front of the young lady the lady made comment about the mans diminutive appendage. She asked, "who do you plan to please with that? The man replied-------ME!
Ron

Ron61 03-05-2010 09:08 AM

Good answer. My Factory Five Coupe is no closer to being like an original than my Roadster was. As I said, I never say anything bad about anyone's cars, but the ones that go around pointing out all the things wrong with other peoples cars are for the most part driving replicas with fiberglass bodies and huge engines. As for old, I still have memories of my Fred Flintstone type car with the feet used for brakes :LOL:. And I think most of the well built replicas, no matter which brand are for the most part safer and better than the originals.

Ron ;)







Quote:

Originally Posted by Commodore (Post 1033829)
Ron61. Something funny happens when a supposed 'purist' discusses my less than authentic FFR once said 'purist' is told that as a previous 1965 CSX 3--- 427 Cobra owner back in the 60's (yea, I'm old) that my home made toy brings me just as much pleasure.
I'm reminded of a joke where a man arrives at a brothel. While standing naked in front of the young lady the lady made comment about the mans diminutive appendage. She asked, "who do you plan to please with that? The man replied-------ME!
Ron



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