Pave Tibet!

[meat]

It's a shame that there are so many idiot protesters out there attacking a world event like the Olympics. An event that is to bring us all together as a people of a planet to cheer for athletes who have given up so much to get to the position where they can represent their country at a sporting event.

While I'm not all that much of a sports guy, and the Olympics will probably interrupt My Name Is Earl, How I Met Your Mother, Two And A Half Men and Family Guy, I still root for the home team, and passingly note how many medals which country has won.

The arrogance of some who would choose to turn this into some kind of vitriolic political sh!t storm shows that there are some that don't learn much from history. The more they attack and protest, the greater the number of people they alienate.

There was a time when I may have cared what happened to Tibet. Now, I truly don't. If the Chinese leveled the landlocked country and built condos or a nice automotive plant, it'd be just fine by me at this point. And, apparently, I'm not alone; interviews with bystanders seem to echo this same sentiment.

Your pal,
Meat.

[Silverback51]

D@mn, I think this is the first time I have totally agreed with you.

What is this world coming to?

[Joe Wicked]

OK, I missed it, what was the protest?

[427 S/O]

They are, not exactly paving but a RR. China said they were making it more accessible, come to find out the region is awash in minerals and ore. Some serious mining bout' to start.

[Ron61]

Joe,

Some of the so called equal rights and other types like that are using the Olympics as a political platform for their protests of how China is treating Tibet. I agree with Meat on this one. The Olympics are for sports and not political agendas.

Ron

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by Joe Wicked

OK, I missed it, what was the protest?

Tibetians are suffocating gerbels with their asses...animals rights protestors.

[GlynMeek]

"The arrogance of some who would choose to turn this into some kind of vitriolic political sh!t storm shows that there are some that don't learn much from history."

and


"Some of the so called equal rights and other types like that are using the Olympics as a political platform for their protests of how China is treating Tibet. I agree with Meat on this one. The Olympics are for sports and not political agendas."

ooooh...Gentlemen...we live in a glass house...let us NOT throw stones!!!!!

If "The olympics are for sports and not for political agendas", why did we boycott the 1980 Oympics in Russia??????

Glyn

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by GlynMeek

"The arrogance of some who would choose to turn this into some kind of vitriolic political sh!t storm shows that there are some that don't learn much from history."

and


"Some of the so called equal rights and other types like that are using the Olympics as a political platform for their protests of how China is treating Tibet. I agree with Meat on this one. The Olympics are for sports and not political agendas."

ooooh...Gentlemen...we live in a glass house...let us NOT throw stones!!!!!

If "The olympics are for sports and not for political agendas", why did we boycott the 1980 Oympics in Russia??????

Glyn

Because democrats, liberals and other such representatives of the lowest depths of humanity voted for Carter...

Note that Bill's wife is pushing Bush to boycott the opening ceremonies in China.

If warriors from Athens and Sparta could put their differences aside, oil down and share a few boys together...can't we all just get along?

[4RE KLR]

Originally Posted by Silverback51

D@mn, I think this is the first time I have totally agreed with you.

What is this world coming to?

HOLY SMOKE.................

Me too.

[Excaliber]

I was surprised to find that the Spartans really did 'share boys' among them. In fact many armies of the time actually encouraged homosexuality as a method to unite the troops into a closer band. You might not be willing to die for your country, but you would be willing to die for your 'partner' kind of logic. Very strange...

[meat]

Originally Posted by GlynMeek

If "The olympics are for sports and not for political agendas", why did we boycott the 1980 Oympics in Russia??????

Jimmy Carter.

Your pal,
Meat.

[cdnus]

I can't believe you guys!!!!
You are sacraficing wonderfull young mens lives every day in a war you will NEVER win, yet you will not allow an equally opressed populus to protest or fight their war in the only way they have available to them.
I thought you guys were much more gracious than that.
Your small mindedness is shocking to say the least.

[GlynMeek]

Meat, Jamo...you can blame an individual President all you like (since MOST presidents (other than George W) have been fairly elected by the MAJORITY of Americans), but it does NOT deny the fact that WE, as the American people, DID boycott an Olympic games, and WE, as the American people, DID use the Olympics for a political agenda. To quote the bible (although this particular set of verses was actually added by a monk in the 9th century!!!!!) ..."let he who is without sin cast the first stone"!

Like it or not, and I happen to agree that Presidents do NOT always expressly act on the wish of the people (e.g. George W), WE, the American people, HAVE used sports repeatedly for political agendas!!!

Blame it on who you like, but WE are in no position to criticize this kind of action...sorry guys, much as I might agree with you on other issues, on this one you're wrong (or at least, historically incorrect!)

[meat]

Originally Posted by cdnus

I can't believe you guys!!!!

Sure you can. Your choice to keep your blinders on and refuse to actively participate in reality is the only thing stopping you.

Originally Posted by cdnus

You are sacraficing wonderfull young mens lives every day in a war you will NEVER win,

Again ... you're the one with the blinders on.

"We" are not sacrificing lives. Brave men and women are doing something that you clearly do not understand - probably because you only enjoy freedom, and that enjoyment isn't based on any actual effort on your part - they are protecting freedom.

I know, I know, it's a concept you and people like you will never understand.

Originally Posted by cdnus

yet you will not allow an equally opressed populus to protest or fight their war in the only way they have available to them.

Really? Huh. Let's look into that a bit closer.

First off, it's been proven over countless centuries that protest and revolution do not work. Not only does the protesting generally alienate everyone, but it also tends to turn the undecided - the fence sitters - against the protesters. There has only been one revolution that has resulted in the peaceful passing of power beyond the initial revolutionaries - and that resulted in the United States of America.

Next, the differences between Iraq, Afghanistan and Tibet are too numerous to list here. Also, the war isn't being fought over land, it's being fought over ideals. The war, in case you missed the memo, it against terror. While you may tend to empathize with the animals that kill children and innocents because they're stupid and ignorant, most of the rest of the world believes that their cause is neither just nor a cause. That you believe that a terrorist is an 'equally opressed populus' to a Tibetan shows only your ignorance to the plight of the Tibetans as well as a general lack of intelligence when it comes to world affairs. But don't let that stop you from shouting your jack@ssery from the rooftops; it'll make everyone else feel better knowing they're smarter than you are.

Furthermore, there are virtually no Tibetans among the protesters in any of the countries where the protests have been staged. Just local kooks who have - like you - no knowledge of what they're protesting or what the real issues are. Therefore, there's no 'equally opressed populus' anywhere on the scene. Your argument fails.

Finally, the crux of your argument demonstrates an amazing lack of comprehension. There's no one here not 'allowing' your imaginary (and conspicuously absent) populous from protesting. In most cases and countries, protesters can protest as long as they get the proper permits, but I digress.

Allow me to put it in small words for you so that you'll understand: the protesters are turning public opinion against their cause by using an event that brings the world together to celebrate for an idiotic political stunt that is wholly unrelated to the event. If they had paved Tibet two years ago, I would have cared. If they pave it now, I'll support it.

Originally Posted by cdnus

I thought

No, you didn't.

Your pal,
Meat.

[meat]

Originally Posted by GlynMeek

Meat, Jamo...you can blame an individual President all you like

Thanks.

Originally Posted by GlynMeek

Blame it on who you like, but WE are in no position to criticize this kind of action...sorry guys, much as I might agree with you on other issues, on this one you're wrong (or at least, historically incorrect!)

err...Nope.

Carter may have made a remarkably unpopular decision (well, he made many...), but he didn't send out protesters from other countries to disrupt the event. His idiotic decision didn't sway public opinion away from his cause.

A boycott is significantly different than what is going on right now with the torch.

So ... nope, not wrong. Not even historically incorrect.

Your pal,
Meat.

[427sharpe]

Whoa! For a minute there, I was beginning to feel that somebody had hijacked meat'a account! Now the last couple of posts have put me at ease!

As far as the protesters...look at who turns out! A bunch of kooks who will protest anything as long as a camera is present. They give $20 a year to Greenpeace and gather in their eco-friendly grass sandals at Starbucks to bemoan globilization by corporate America while sipping $7 cups of coffee made from naturally fertilized coffee beans raised in a hermetically sealed environment. They give money to Hillary and Obama but don't have the time to find out what either really stands for; they watch CNN and the Huffington Post is their New Testament, MoveOn.Org is their church. They live in upper middle to upper class apartments filled with high end electronics---usually alone or in pairs---and cry about what goes on in the 'hood and in the wars...at least what they see on TV because they've never actually been there and they don't know anybody who has, except for the 'reporters' from the above, of course.
And how is this funded? Easy! MOMMIE AND DADDIE! You know, the two stiffs who worked their a$$es off a whole lifetime to provide better for their kids and who are now seen by same as the 'lazy bourgoise' and 'infected by American propaganda' about hard work and true dedication and patriotism. Ahhh...what a great country we have built on the foundations of what was handed us....

[cdnus]

Meat
You obviously did not take the time or effort to understand my reply, as simple as it was.
You assumed a lot of things that could not be futher from the truth & twisted my words to meanings that suited your agenda, not mine.
At this point I don't like to think about your agenda, it sounds pretty scary to me.
Re: The olympics
If you think for 1 min. that they are not politicaly driven from choosing the site to the closing ceremonies you are very niave.

[meat]

Originally Posted by cdnus

You obviously did not take the time or effort to understand my reply, as simple as it was.

Naah. I took all the time that was necessary to read and understand your post. And yes I do agree; like you, it is indeed ... simple.

Originally Posted by cdnus

You assumed a lot of things that could not be futher from the truth & twisted my words to meanings that suited your agenda, not mine.

I assumed nothing at all about your post - you're the one who wrote it, you're the one with the agenda. I twisted nothing other than your ego by exposing you for what you truly are.

Originally Posted by cdnus

At this point I don't like to think about your agenda, it sounds pretty scary to me.

I don't have an agenda. I have an opinion.

And my opinion is that your puddle of knowledge is shallow and evaporating over time. And THAT should scare you.

Originally Posted by cdnus

If you think for 1 min.

I think constantly, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. You should try it.

Your pal,
Meat.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by cdnus

I can't believe you guys!!!!
You are sacraficing wonderfull young mens lives every day in a war you will NEVER win, yet you will not allow an equally opressed populus to protest or fight their war in the only way they have available to them.
I thought you guys were much more gracious than that.
Your small mindedness is shocking to say the least.

Bullsh!t...bestest and nicest way I can say it.

Tibet lost...a half century ago. The Lama is a religious zealot, and what he represents was itself an oppressor of many non-Buddhist tribes in the northern slope of the Roof. Do a bit of reading yourself.

Look, I'm Armenian. My people were the victims of a genocide. America and the rest of the West ignored it in the early 20th Century, allowing the hell of Hitler to rise up for a second great genocide.

Every year, we ask our government to proclaim what happened to us a genocide, and every time it is either buried in committee or vetoed...because Turkey is seen as a valuble partner.

My heart doesn't agree with that, but my brain understands it. We don't go around disrupting international events that were always intended to put all issues aside for a moment of peace.

Screw Tibet, the bald basturd swammy and his gerbels.

Just my opinion of course...you are free to disagree based upon your incorrect analysis.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by GlynMeek

Meat, Jamo...you can blame an individual President all you like (since MOST presidents (other than George W) have been fairly elected by the MAJORITY of Americans), but it does NOT deny the fact that WE, as the American people, DID boycott an Olympic games, and WE, as the American people, DID use the Olympics for a political agenda. To quote the bible (although this particular set of verses was actually added by a monk in the 9th century!!!!!) ..."let he who is without sin cast the first stone"!

Like it or not, and I happen to agree that Presidents do NOT always expressly act on the wish of the people (e.g. George W), WE, the American people, HAVE used sports repeatedly for political agendas!!!

Blame it on who you like, but WE are in no position to criticize this kind of action...sorry guys, much as I might agree with you on other issues, on this one you're wrong (or at least, historically incorrect!)

Nope...Carter was (and is) the worst President we ever had and I will not accept one damn thing he did as my own.

His was a wrong move, and led to screwing up two Olympics ("THEY" boycotted LA you might recall). That should be a lesson well learned...and not repeated.

Following yours and cdnus' arguments...Munich was an acceptable act of civil disobedience on an international stage.