Believers in Obama

cobra de capell · #1 (**permalink**) 10-20-2008, 04:05 PM

Believers in Obama

By Thomas Sowell
October 21, 2008

Telling a friend that the love of his life is a phony and dangerous is not likely to get him to change his mind. But it may cost you a friend.

It is much the same story with true believers in Barack Obama. They have made up their minds and not only don't want to be confused by the facts, they resent being told the facts.

An e-mail from a reader mentioned trying to tell his sister why he was voting against Obama but, when he tried to argue some facts, she cut him short: "You don't like him and I do!" she said. End of discussion.

Snip..... http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell102108.php3
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This guy is good and right on the money. What we know about Obama's background and associations (or think we know) seem curiously strange for a potential POTUS - what we don't know can be a killer of life as we know it in America. Be fearful.

blueovalz · #2 (**permalink**) 10-20-2008, 04:33 PM

I wholeheartedly agree. I did the very same "what are you thinking...you'll be sorry" routine for the last two elections and now those very same highly devoted, emotion driven, and un-wavering voters are conspicuously quite.

If we are lucky, we won't have to say "told you so" in four years.

J. T. Toad · #3 (**permalink**) 10-20-2008, 07:47 PM

The following was from a 'friend" of 25 years, when I posed questions which she refused to answer... her disdain for anything questioning Obama's motives would trash, what I thought was, a significant friendship.

"I hesitate to even acknowledge you at this point. But I have to tell you that you are one of the most mean-spirited, angry people I've ever, ever known. *** (her husband) has read your emails that you have sent in the last 24 hrs. and all he had to say is that you aren't near as smart as you think you are and you have a lot of anger.

I was trying to do something good and you took it so personally, for whatever reason, that you had to become mean and hateful in your writings.

I can not call someone like you a friend. You are insensitive and hurtful. I don't want any contact with you again. I hope that somewhere along your journey, you may find some peace. "

nothing more than a textbook Marxist. This email exudes tolerance. All I did was ask questions.

VRM · #4 (**permalink**) 10-20-2008, 09:34 PM

Wow! What a bunch of pot calling the kettle black! How many times have I been insulted in this forum for pointing out the failings of the GOP?

I rarely defend the DNC because a lot of what is said has a fair degree of truth to it, but a lot of you are just as closed-minded as those zombie-like drones that worship Obama.

And, quite honestly, the last 8 years have been a disaster, and the DNC has only held Congress for 2 - of course the pendulum is going to swing the other way, and it is going to do it hard. You have earned the backlash - I'm just sorry that I keep having to go along for the ride on the stupid policies of the DNC and GOP that all of you seem to keep voting for.

Steve

csx4910 · #5 (**permalink**) 10-20-2008, 10:09 PM

You are definitely correct that true blame for a lot of the mess we are in is because of ALL of the politicians. Much of the corporate welfare and the housing mess started in the 90's with .... a democrat in Bill Clinton and Hillary trying to socialize healthcare. It was defeated by both republicans and democrats becuase it was a deeply flawed plan. Now everyone seems to think this is a good idea. it was bad then and it is bad now. Just ask anyone from England or canada that has waited 6-9 months for a mitral valve replacement "hoping" that don't die of heart problems.

"W" continued digging the hole(grave?) deeper but 89% of everyone in the country and over 75% I believe of Congress was for the war after 9/11. before you attack me I agree we should of been out a long time ago and went after Osama but that has't happened. That is what Bush's biggest downfall has been. An inability to admit when he was wrong but it was just as many democrats as republicans that have supported the war only to change their tune when it became unpopular. Personally I don't expect nor do I want teh government to solve my problems. #1 I don't believe they can or want to and #2 they will find a way to screw up what is working okay!
Ron

Smokingcobra2 · #6 (**permalink**) 10-21-2008, 05:15 AM

Went thru the same thing this past saturday night. Politics started to be discussed and when i asked my friend to name one thing Obama did in either political jobs he has held all i got was yelling about Bush! Never did get any answer ans our wifes made us stop discussing politics.
joeg

wtm442 · #7 (**permalink**) 10-21-2008, 05:26 AM

I never discuss two things with friends.

Politics and religion.

nevermind65 · #8 (**permalink**) 10-21-2008, 05:32 AM

Kind of a hilarious post. Day after day, on this board and many others, all we read about is how "bad" Obama is, yet I never see a post telling us what McCain has done to make people vote for him. One of the newspapers in Ohio endorsed McCain and all they could muster up was "he has a great military record and bucks the system in Congress". Hell, after years and years in Congress and that is all they could cough up?

I've said this before, but you people are just too ignorant to catch the hint. Stop bashing Obama and start praising McCain. Haven't you figured out that people just get tired of hearing all the b.s., lies, and hearsay the few of you keep posting? You would think after McCain having been in Congress so long, you would need to post nothing but his accomplishments to get him elected. The election shouldn't be about who is the lesser of 2 eveils, it should be about who is the better candidate. So far, McCain ain't winning that battle!

BlueRooster · #9 (**permalink**) 10-21-2008, 06:19 AM

I couldn't imagine going through this credit mess AND having Saddam toying with nuke inspectors and generally threatening the world with WMDs. I am glad he, and his sons, and his whole regime are gone.

wtm442 · #10 (**permalink**) 10-21-2008, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by nevermind65

Kind of a hilarious post. Day after day, on this board and many others, all we read about is how "bad" Obama is, yet I never see a post telling us what McCain has done to make people vote for him. ....... So far, McCain ain't winning that battle!

McCain and Obama's Stand-alone Bills passed into law during the last session:

McCain
S.161 – Northern Arizona Land Exchange and Verde River Basin Partnership Act of 2005. A bill to provide for a land exchange in the State of Arizona between the Secretary of Agriculture and Yavapai Ranch Limited Partnership.

S.1481 – Indian Land Probate Reform Technical Corrections Act of 2005. A bill to amend the Indian Land Consolidation Act to provide for probate reform.

S.2464 – Fort McDowell Indian Community Water Rights Settlement Revision Act of 2006. A bill to revise a provision relating to a repayment obligation of the Fort McDowell Yavapai Nation under the Fort McDowell Indian Community Water Rights Settlement Act of 1990, and for other purposes.

Obama

S.2125 – Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act of 2005. A bill to promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

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There you have it. If you are an American Indian, you will probably vote for McCain.

On the other hand, if you formerly lived in the Congo, you will probably vote for Obama.

VRM · #11 (**permalink**) 10-21-2008, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by wtm442

There you have it. If you are an American Indian, you will probably vote for McCain.

On the other hand, if you formerly lived in the Congo, you will probably vote for Obama.

On the other hand, if you are an illegal alien you would probably vote for McCain for his sponsorship of S 1033. Or, you could vote for Obama, who also sponsored it.

392cobra · #12 (**permalink**) 10-21-2008, 08:47 AM

After being a Non-Citizen the last six years (until last week),I support McCain.

cobra de capell · #13 (**permalink**) 10-21-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nevermind65

Kind of a hilarious post. Day after day, on this board and many others, all we read about is how "bad" Obama is, yet I never see a post telling us what McCain has done to make people vote for him. One of the newspapers in Ohio endorsed McCain and all they could muster up was "he has a great military record and bucks the system in Congress". Hell, after years and years in Congress and that is all they could cough up?

I've said this before, but you people are just too ignorant to catch the hint. Stop bashing Obama and start praising McCain. Haven't you figured out that people just get tired of hearing all the b.s., lies, and hearsay the few of you keep posting? You would think after McCain having been in Congress so long, you would need to post nothing but his accomplishments to get him elected. The election shouldn't be about who is the lesser of 2 eveils, it should be about who is the better candidate. So far, McCain ain't winning that battle!

It's simply really, but perhaps not for you - McCain is a well known entity with lots of accomplished, not perfect but a good man with experience and a love for America. Obama is an unknown entity with virtually no experience, questionable associations - doesn't really seem to love America, for sure wants to change America in ways that are strangely un-American, anti-Capitalist.

Bottomline - no one should have to seek your vote for McCain - seeming that you are an adult - you should by now know who to vote for, if you do not - you are part of the problem.

blueovalz · #14 (**permalink**) 10-21-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by cobra de capell

It's simply really, but perhaps not for you - McCain...and a love for America. Obama...doesn't seem to love America.

Bottomline - no one should have to seek your vote for McCain - seeming that you are an adult - you should by now know who to vote for, if you do not - you are part of the problem.

Fascinating. What evidence (no Palin flowery generalizations please) do you have to support the above? Subjectivity appears to be your forte, but perhaps an expansion in objectivity may provide some balance. The point is both have their pluses and minuses. What scares me is the ignorance of the American voter who knows who won Dancing with the Stars, but has no idea what their 401K is doing. There are voters that actually believe our taxes are going down in the future as a result of their "choice". These same people must believe that money grows on trees, in other countries, and is then air-dropped to Americans.

Imagine the response if one candidate said, "Sorry, but the reality is this: We are have badly overspent, and that debt has to be paid by you, or you can forget about all the nice things government provides”. And I’m not even going to talk about the woman that thought Obama was an Arab (kudos to McCain for taking the mike away from her and correcting her). Yep, we deserve everything we get.

cobra de capell · #15 (**permalink**) 10-21-2008, 12:00 PM

Actually, I've lost interest in trying to convince anyone not to vote for Obama or to vote for McCain - anyone that has not made up their mind by now is a space cadet, possibly a space captain.

Either one is aligned with the basic Republican platform or the Democrat platform with 5% of each up for discussion, but not the entire base platform.

McCain isn't Bush, both parties have made a mess of things - but it gets back to party platform, big time in the next 4-8 years - to the right on McCain's side, to the far left on Obama's side - it's your call.

MChat · #16 (**permalink**) 10-21-2008, 12:04 PM

Those that will vote for Obama definitely deserve what they get... it's just too bad they have to drag the rest of us along with them.

The only hope for this country if Obama gets elected is that the Dems don't also get majority of the House & Senate. If the Dems get all three.... heaven help us.

cobra de capell · #17 (**permalink**) 10-21-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MChat

Those that will vote for Obama definitely deserve what they get... it's just too bad they have to drag the rest of us along with them.

The only hope for this country if Obama gets elected is that the Dems don't also get majority of the House & Senate. If the Dems get all three.... heaven help us.

They already have both houses of congress - likely to stay in-charge with Senate having a possible 60 vote filabuster proof majority - they could do whatever they want.

cobra bill · #18 (**permalink**) 10-21-2008, 01:10 PM

We gave you guys a chance at controlling the hose, senate and executive branch, and where did it get us? yes that's right, right where we are today!

nevermind65 · #19 (**permalink**) 10-21-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cobra de capell

It's simply really, but perhaps not for you - McCain is a well known entity with lots of accomplished, not perfect but a good man with experience and a love for America. Obama is an unknown entity with virtually no experience, questionable associations - doesn't really seem to love America, for sure wants to change America in ways that are strangely un-American, anti-Capitalist.

Bottomline - no one should have to seek your vote for McCain - seeming that you are an adult - you should by now know who to vote for, if you do not - you are part of the problem.

Sure, I know who to vote for, but many people do not, and all the idiotic ranting of the right-wingers sure drive them the opposite way.

Hey...have you looked at the poll results lately? McCain is losing. Your reverse psychology is really working. Obama's going to be elected. Thank yourself for this one!

blueovalz · #20 (**permalink**) 10-21-2008, 01:21 PM

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Those that will vote for Obama definitely deserve what they get... it's just too bad they have to drag the rest of us along with them.

Words to live by! And this is exactly what I said during the last two elections with our current president. Personally, I think the "Right" deserves to cut the "Left" some slack because those "Right" voters are just as responsible for the mess this country is in (NOT including the financial fiasco) as is the person they elected. And until we have a Lefty in there that can screw this country over as bad as the Righty did, for as long as he did, then your claim to criticism is vastly overrated.