Obama Tells San Francisco He Will Intentionally Bankrupt The Coal Industry!!!

[turnpike boy]

Originally Posted by clayfoushee

It is not unlike the pressure the Feds put on auto manufacturers years ago to clean up their acts. They also said they would be bankrupt, and that it would be impossible. And here we are 25+ years later with cars pumping out way more HP, cleaner, and more fuel efficent than anyone said was possible.

The difference then was that it was the auto companies who cried they would be bankrupt - now, it's the politician who is assuring the fall. And certain CARB mandates have effectively assured only zero emissions vehicles will be available soon in California, likely to be followed by the rest of the major metropolitan areas. And where does that electricity come from?

The second difference is that clean coal tech is somewhat here; it's making it commercially palatable that's the issue. Cleaning up the ic engine was an environmental move, not a financial one. Fuel was cheap "25+" years ago. As you likely have observed, not so much today.

By the way - I owned a 1963 Corvette roadster, 327/300 hp/4 spd./3.08 rear that delivered a solid 26 mpg at a steady 70 mph, in 1972. Equipped with a Carter AFB. I suppose with the addition of 4 decades of technology it would do even better, and be cleaner.

But it took 4 decades. Not a mandate from a politician. Or, maybe despite one.


-Roger

[turnpike boy]

And, hey.....it's good to see you're still out here in the world, Foosh.

'Sbeen a while. Hope all is just fine in your part.



-Roger

[clayfoushee]

Originally Posted by turnpike boy

And, hey.....it's good to see you're still out here in the world, Foosh.

'Sbeen a while. Hope all is just fine in your part.



-Roger

It has been awhile. I hope you and your lovely wife are also doing well.

[clayfoushee]

No Roger, it was a Federal mandate that moved the auto industry. And we don't live in a dictatorship, so it wouldn't be an Obama or a McCain mandate. It would be a properly enacted Federal law with a long phase-in period.

If it truly proved to be impossible to find a way to either use clean-coal technology or a phase-out, and to meet our energy needs, that law would be rather quickly repealed.

People need to lay off the hysteria and THINK rationally!

[turnpike boy]

Originally Posted by clayfoushee

No Roger, it was a Federal mandate that moved the auto industry. And we don't live in a dictatorship, so it wouldn't be an Obama or a McCain mandate. It would be a properly enacted Federal law with a long phase-in period.

Indeed it was. After long and thorough analysis on both their parts, with clear objectives well established long before there was a law. When Obama stands before the crowd and lays out just how things are gonna be, does that sound reasoned? Has this been the subject of extensive conversation between the industry and his office? And, if it has, shouldn't that have been at least mentioned? The principal objection here is the authoritarian, heavy-handed delivery - and that didn't come from McCain.

Originally Posted by clayfoushee

If it truly proved to be impossible to find a way to either use clean-coal technology or a phase-out, and to meet our energy needs, that law would be rather quickly repealed. !

Mmmm...just like Prohibition. What'd that take? - 18 -20 years? But I agree, finding themselves without microphone power or television availability would motivate politicians with resolve.

Originally Posted by clayfoushee

People need to lay off the hysteria and THINK rationally!

Beginning - with ALL of the pols. Especially these two.



-Roger