Obama Tells San Francisco He Will Intentionally Bankrupt The Coal Industry!!!

[turnpike boy]

For some reason, Steve, I cannot get the picture of whatever it was that you posted. Not a big deal; I have a good imagination and can probably guess the nature of what it is.

As to out of context, it's a hair difficult to take something said "out of context" when you watch the question asked and the immediate response to same. If the question wasn't understood by the responder, that hardly makes observations from here out of context. As you clearly ASSumed that I hadn't had that opportunity (and it wasn't from cDc's post - I can't get that either), the attempt to inveigh ignorance is laughable.

On the other hand, since you apparently are quick to judge and seemingly blind to difficult truths, it doesn't surprise me that you find whatever vacuous reasons to support your perspectives. Arguments are just that - discussions, on the other hand, attempt to find fact amid the noise. Plugging one's ears because of the noise doesn't make what does get heard, fact.

There is no interest from here in making any effort to explain or justify what has been said. It is a matter of record, straight from Obama's lips. The question was unambiguous and direct - as was his reply. The principal difference between the two candidates is that one wants changes to coal policies, and the other will mandate them at all cost.

Have a great day. Have you voted yet?


-Roger

[Don]

" A splash of green for the rust belt "

November 3, 2008
By Peter S. Goodman

" NEWTON, Iowa - Like his uncle, his grandfather and many of their neighbors, Arie Versendaal spent decades working at the Maytag factory here, turning coils of steel into washing machines.

When the plant closed last year, taking 1,800 jobs out of this town of 16,000 people, it seemed a familiar story of American industrial decline: another company town brought to its knees by the vagaries of global trade.

Except that Mr. Versendaal has a new factory job, at a plant here that makes blades for turbines that turn wind into electricity. Across the road, in the old Maytag factory, another company is building concrete towers to support the massive turbines. Together, the two plants are expected to employ nearly 700 people by early next year. "



http://bioenergy.checkbiotech.org/ne...the_rust_belt/

[turnpike boy]

Sweet. Progress for 700 - a great example of free enterprise at work.

Thanks, Don. Heartening to see not all scribe to the promise of the Big Gov'mint Dole.



-Roger

[clayfoushee]

Originally Posted by turnpike boy

The principal difference between the two candidates is that one wants changes to coal policies, and the other will mandate them at all cost.

-Roger

Roger, Roger, Roger, we just went through this last night. Please tell me what special new powers a new President will have to mandate such a policy. It doesn't work that way, Constitutionally speaking.

Do you, by any chance, remember the newly-inaugurated President Clinton's effort, spear-headed by Hillary in 1993, to implement universal healthcare? He had the advantage of a D House and D Senate, and he totally failed to get that done.

Had he had this magical mandate you keep referring to, it would have been no problem. You also need to remember there are quite a few influential Ds representing the coal producing states.

And please show me the part of the Obama speech where he said he would seek to phase-out coal anywhere in the near-term. You are beginning to sound like CDC.

[turnpike boy]

Clay, Clay, Clay, Clay!! Yes, we did go thru this last nite - and I'm glad to see nothing has changed between here and there

Permit me to begin with the bottom statement in your post - can't show you where Obama would wipe coal from the face of the earth, near-term - mostly because I never said he would, nor did he. What he did say was that he would seek regulation of the industry that would bankrupt it, and/or make the use so cost-prohibitive as to bankrupt it. Now, in all fairness, he was specifically addressing the electical-generating industry, so I suppose all who use coal to heat their houses might get a coal break....today, anyway.

And, yes, I remember well Hillary's efforts at Universal Health Care. I also remember Bill taking a tacit side-line in the whole effort, deferring any and all comment to her since she was taking the lead in the attempt. Hardly a ringing endorsement and strong backing, eh? When the President, who's also your husband, doesn't strong-arm congressional members to fall in line with the policy, where's it gonna go? On the other hand, Obama's charisma has so many hearts a-flutter that it's not much of a stretch to think he's better able to reach his (potential) D super-majority in both houses of Congress with issues that might be....ah....controversial. Getting your way, after you've so stated it was your intention, is often seen as a mandate, rightly or wrongly. Just is what it is.

Not sure just which influential Dems, from coal-producing states, you're referencing, Clay. Not that Obama directly threatened production, mind you. But there are always ways (and means) to address those concerns, too.

And. Sorry if I am "....beginning to sound like CDC." It's not intentional, nor coordinated, if that matters. I just cannot seem to swallow the Obama Kool-Aid so readily gulped -and defended -by others around me.


-Roger

[Don]

The airport " not in my back yard " syndrome will also expand to wind turbines. If I recall correctly, Senator Ted Kennedy was instrumental in stopping wind turbines 20 miles off shore from Cape Cod in MA where he has a residence, someone from MA correct the statement if this not true.

" The culprit, they say, is the whooshing sound from the five industrial wind turbines near the 6-acre spread where they have lived for 37 years. "I don't think anyone should have to put up with this," says Gerry Meyer, who compares the sound to a helicopter or a jet taking off. "

"As more turbines are built, the noise they create is stirring debate. Industry groups such as the American Wind Energy Association say there's no proof they make people sick, but complaints of nausea, insomnia and other problems have surfaced near wind farms across the USA "

http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...turbines_N.htm