Here is a question I doubt will get true answers

[TButtrick]

If people are to loose their jobs, it's because of the the lunacy of the present administration and not because of what Oboma might do. Bail-outs continue for the execs who F***Ked up but the working stiffs won't get bailed out when they need it.

[SP01715]

Originally Posted by TButtrick

If people are to loose their jobs, it's because of the the lunacy of the present administration and not because of what Oboma might do. Bail-outs continue for the execs who F***Ked up but the working stiffs won't get bailed out when they need it.

And who fought against regulation of the mortgage industry? What party backed the bailout from the first vote? Bush has his faults for sure, but the Dems have done more to cause this economic crisis.

[bomelia]

Well, I was just trying to keep this focussed on the new prez elect. Not Bush. Obama (if he is true to his word) will try to cut defense by 25%. Thats about $200 Billion. Thats a lot of folks jobs out there. And I KNOW some of those voters work out here on the base. I just do not get their thinking.

Steve, how did Bush cause you to lose your job? Or was there no cause & effect?

Mike

[cobra bill]

Originally Posted by bomelia

Well, I was just trying to keep this focussed on the new prez elect. Not Bush. Obama (if he is true to his word) will try to cut defense by 25%. Thats about $200 Billion. Thats a lot of folks jobs out there. And I KNOW some of those voters work out here on the base. I just do not get their thinking.

Steve, how did Bush cause you to lose your job? Or was there no cause & effect?

Mike

I work for the federal government as well, and it would be easy to cut 25% out of the budget, get rid of no bid contracts! they have all but eliminated civil service, and turned everything over to contractors. There are more contractors in the war zone then soldiers! and the average pay for them is
$1020,000 That's insane! in Vietnam we had the highest level of civilian contractors in any war until now and it was only 20% of troop levels, now its 150% and its all no bid no oversight!.

[bomelia]

If they are risking their lives, they ought to get better than 25K a year. $102K sounds about right. Bureaucrats want to make the big DBR and GS15 incomes for pushing paper and checking off the boxes, but love to short change the guys taking the bullets for them.

Same with the aholes in government running education. Teachers should be contracted at high pay. Bereaucrats should recieve low pay... that way there would be less of them.

As far as no bid contracts, I would know nothing about that. We compete for everything we do.

If everything went in house, nothing would get done. Goverment folks are too busy taking courses so they can get promoted. And going on cherry retreats so they can learn to think outside the box. And so on. Its the contractors who do the work. And you know it.

Mike

[TButtrick]

Originally Posted by bomelia

If they are risking their lives, they ought to get better than 25K a year. $102K sounds about right.
Mike

Dude,

It's a volunteer thing. It includes room and board, cool cloths, medical, and free education. It's a good gig. Been there, done that. Unfortunately, we treat them like sh!t when they enter back in civilian life. Happy Vets Day.

[bomelia]

Everything is a "volunteer thing." If it were trully volunteerism, they would get NO compensation. No, they sign up voluntarily for a job that puts their lives at risk. They should get paid a helluva lot more than they do.

The reality is, they are fresh out of school and like everybody, they start at the bottom and move up the "corporate" ladder like most folks. Only in their case, the risk is much higher. And for that, they should recieve just compensation. Not just "3 hots and a cot". You want the best of the best? Pay them. Thats why contractors show up.

Bill is like a lot of government snobs. Thinks nobody works as hard as the governement bureaucrat. When something goes wrong, its the contractors fault. When it goes well, the the bureaucrat's name all over the white papers cause he funded it. There are good government folks and bad ones too. Same for contractors. Don't paint with such a broad brush Bill... it only makes you look like the snobs I am talking about.

Mike (Dude)

[TButtrick]

Originally Posted by SP01715

And who fought against regulation of the mortgage industry? What party backed the bailout from the first vote? Bush has his faults for sure, but the Dems have done more to cause this economic crisis.

You can sit there and throw the blame any direction you wish. They are all politicians and none of them have our best interests in mind. The latest news from Hank Paulson is astonishing. The 700 Billion bail-out strategy which was so desperately needed in 72 hours or the sky would fall, has now been abandoned. Initially the funds where to buy back bad loans and foster new lending but the mortgage companies decided that they'd use the funds for acquisitions which would look better on their balance sheets. So why aren't mortgage companies modifying their mortgage loan terms to get the ball rolling? Why should they. If they did, they wouldn't be able to feed from the trough and it now it looks like the auto industry is going to wiggle it's way through the crowd to feed from the same trough. Its despicable and we are all getting the F**KING of our lives.

Funny how we all despise those slackers who don't work for a living and take handouts whenever they can at the expense of the working man. Well, now they're wearing suits and ties and calling themselves concerned industry leaders, congressmen, and senators. Congress worked 93 days last season folks. 93 FREAKIN DAYS!!! They're conservative republicans and they're liberal democrats and they are ALL politicians. There are 544 of them in addition to our president and they should all be burned at the stake. I didn't vote republican or democrat. I voted all the incumbents out of office.