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Old 03-17-2009, 11:08 AM
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Default Hillbillies too stupid?

Last month, Toyota made a decision that didn't get a lot of press, but
sent ripples of concern through state houses across the South.

The Japanese auto giant announced that it was going to bypass offers of
hundreds of millions of dollars in "recruitment incentives" (corporate
subsidies) from several Southern states, and would instead set up shop
in Ontario, Canada, which was offering much fewer give-away's.

The decision to head north was an embarrassment for Southern states
eagerly competing to lure Toyota, on several levels. Not only did they
lose a trophy job-creator for their state.. But the reason Toyota gave
for the move was especially damning:

"The level of the workforce in general is so high that the training
program you need for people, even for people who have not worked in a
Toyota plant before, is "minimal" compared to what you have to go through in the southeastern United States," said Gerry Fedchun, president of
the Automotive Parts Manufacturers’ Association, whose members will see increased business with the new plant [...]

Several U.S. states were reportedly prepared to offer more than double
[the] subsidy [Southern states were offering]. But Fedchun said much of
that extra money would have been eaten away by higher training costs
than are necessary for the Woodstock project.

He said Nissan and Honda have encountered difficulties getting new
plants up to full production in recent years in Mississippi and Alabama
due to an untrained - and often illiterate - workforce.

In Alabama, trainers had to use "pictorials" to teach some illiterate workers how to use high-tech plant equipment.

Starting with Alabama’s successful bid to lure a Mercedes plant in 1992
with an incentive package that eventually cost over $300 million in tax
breaks and other give-away's — while the state's education system was
under court order for lack of funding — Southern states have shoveled
billions of dollars to huge foreign automakers, turning the South into
the "new Detroit."

But now companies are waking up to the limitations of locating in a
state that cares more about handing out tax breaks than investing in
its people.

Unfortunately, state leaders haven't caught on —
indeed, states like North Carolina expanded their corporate give-away programs in the last legislative session.



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More cars were produced in Ontario than were produced in Michigan, last year. The recent economic downturn which resulted in car sales tanking, has hit Ontario very hard as they depend so heavily on the automotive industry. Of course, who hasn't been hit hard recently?

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Check out this Feb 16, 2009 article by Fareed Zakaria of Newsweek. Yeah, I know some have a current problem with a name like "Fareed Zakaria".

America is still the greatest. Apparently it is a little further north than many thought.

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Most of the manufacturing is done outside the US.

We just design them and try to get all of the pieces married.

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Chrysler is considering closing up shop in Canada and moving all production to the US if it cannot get major wage concessions from the Canadian auto workers so everything isn't rosy in Ontario.

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Chrysler is considering closing up shop in Canada and moving all production to the US if it cannot get major wage concessions from the Canadian auto workers so everything isn't rosy in Ontario.

Wayne

Wayne,

Do they believe the UAW are going to offer much in the way of concessions? I've attempted to hire a number of employees (people to power wash cars before they come in the building for bodywork or paint) recently who have stated "I'd rather be on unemployment than have to work so hard". It's this mental attitude that is the problem, worse with the union members who feel "entitled" to everything they get now......
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Bill,

That is the attitude of the Give Me Everything Generation we now have. They want everything but don't want to work at all. Sad!!

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I was talking to a friend the other day and we figured that we could perform many jobs in an auto assmbly plant with a couple of hours of training and virtually any job there with a week's training and "experience" on the line. These people are being very well paid for a job that really doesn't require all that much skill.

Isn't it strange that a person can continue to collect unemployment insurance when they could be employed? I always thought that unemployment insurance was for people that couldn't find a job, that for those that didn't want to work. By the way, the same thing is going on up here.

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Hell, I'm beyond that.

I don't read the law...I make it up as I go. Much easier.

Obviously, there are different levels of continued education needed in different fields. Folks who repair/service newer cars (versus those who build them), for example, have a heavy burden of keeping up on changes/techniques. My brother (a GM service manager) attends more continuing education than I do.
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I don't read the law...I make it up as I go. Much easier.
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The Civil War was a mistake...we should have let them go and we still should.
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I kinda doubt the Tennesee hillbillies are any worse than the West Virginia hillbillies that worked at the Ford / Chevy plants back home in Cleveland...

Perhaps it's time to let the fargin Japs know we're to stupid to buy their cars as well.

We should've turned Patton loose on those bastiges...
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Ron,
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