Tatsushige

Obviously, you take media accounts from the NY Times (the taxi driver story) as gospel, so there is no hope in trying to articulate a different opinion that you would accept.

I take "two wrongs don't make a right" as being caught with one's pants down twice...we already were with the WTC, and quite honestly...I don't care what it takes with regard to folks outside the US to insure it does not happen again. I do find it somewhat unnerving to have our country criticized by a resident of a country (Japan) that sits back and allows us to protect their ass from North Korea.

Just my opinion, of course. :)

It was the US that provoked Japan in to attacking it in 1940's read the “Smoke Gun of Pearl Harbor”, a Declassified Doc in 1994 which showed the US public did not want to enter the war in Europe and the only way in was to get Japan to attack the US and claim it was a surprised attack. Now as Japan was a ally of Germany it would then mean the US could enter the war with Germany if the US was at war with Japan.

Now because of this provocation by the US and the war that followed and then the terrorist attacks on the citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki the US forced Japan to create and sign Art 9 which states


"第九条　日本国民は、正義と秩序を基調とする国際平和を誠実に希求し、国権の発動たる戦争と、武力による威 嚇又は武力の行使は、国際紛争を解決する手段としては、永久にこれを放棄する。
二　前項の目的を達するため、陸海空軍その他の戦力は、これを保持しない。国の交戦権は、これ を認めない。"

Sorry cannot read Japanese well here in English

"ARTICLE 9. Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes. In order to accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized."



Now because of this Japan has no means of protecting itself from future attack or invasion, which meant at a later date the Soviet could invade and take Japan as Soviets and Japan have never signed a end to the war, so the US wanted to protect is now new investment decided with the Japanese govt on the Japanese/US security Pack which states the US must Protect Japan from any and all attacks.

Now if Japan wipes out Art 9(which there is talk about here) that will mean it can rearm itself, which as you might already know Japan as the second most advance military(POLICE FORCE) in the world. It would also mean that all US military personal will be kicked out of Japan, all US bases closed in Japan and also means the US has no power the threaten Japan with sanctions when Japan refuses to do something the US wants it do to, Like the re-importation of BSE contaminated beef.

So it is more in the best interests of the US that Japan keeps Art 9 and also in the best interest that Japan is protected by the US.


But hey that is only my Opinion:D






NOTE : The Japanese Defense Force is not a Military it comes under the umbrella of the National Police Agency making it a DEPT of the POLICE!:D

And NO I am not US bashing, My sister is married to a American, my English speaking mates here in Japan are mostly Americans, just I do not agree with Torture of ANY HUMAN, ANIMAL or TERRORIST. If you must kill them then do it quick, bullet to the brain stem!



Anyway I think I will head back to the Aussie side of the Forum, just in case I upset someone with my views. Keep safe all and have fun.

Well that was an interesting (and disturbing) look into the mindset of a Japanese resident. I won't even begin to address how ridiculous it sounds as I think Jamo made that point all ready. That's some serious propraganda right there!

Oinie ;)

Me thinks I'll just let the gentleman's response speak for itself.

It was the US that provoked Japan in to attacking it in 1940's read the “Smoke Gun of Pearl Harbor”, a Declassified Doc in 1994 which showed the US public did not want to enter the war in Europe and the only way in was to get Japan to attack the US and claim it was a surprised attack. Now as Japan was a ally of Germany it would then mean the US could enter the war with Germany if the US was at war with Japan.

If refusing to give Japan more steel and equipment to make bombs, guns, and ships is provoking them, then that is to bad. Japan wanted war and they wanted to conquer the whole hemisphere in Asia and China. Also you complain about torture. I never noticed anything in your statements about how the so called Imperial Japanese Army treated our people who they took prisoner. You want something to be happy about, just be happy that I was not president or Japan would be on the bottom of the ocean. I would have used it as an Atomic Testing ground. Best thing that could happen is Japan kicks us out and then takes on Korea on its own.

Ron :p

Tatsushige, you left out the part about the WTC being an 'inside' job.

Operation Northwoods ...Need I say more:D

Tatsushige,
I agree with you regarding visiting other countries and expecting them to speak English. I've been to 45-50 countries and ended up learning enough conversational bits of the native languages (thought I have some sort of mental block with Spanish) to be able to get around without using English. I also do not expect visitors to the US to speak English (though a few words helps), but I do expect US citizens to be reasonably fluent.

WW2 (specifically the Pacific theatre) and sports/GT cars of the 50s and 60s are two of my favourite history topics.
The ultimate act of attack was Japans decision. The US was obviously not happy with what Japan was doing in China and Indochina. Most Americans did not want to get involved in what was viewed as local problems in other parts of the world. Perhaps Hulls letter to japan was viewed as an ultimatum (it was by Tojo), but the ultimate decision to attack was Japans. Japan thought it could hit hard and fast (they did) and wipe out the Pacific fleet in one shot. What they did not realise was that even if they did manage to hit the carriers at Pearl they still would have been at the mercy of the US sub fleet. The Shinano (biggest carrier built during WW2) was sunk by a US sub before ever launching a single plane. And even with the US carriers surviving Pearl the US sub fleet sank more ship tonnage in the Pacific than all other types of attack. The US still would have won if the carriers were destroyed at Pearl - it just would have taken longer.

As for Operation Northwoods - there were plans for that, and I admit that it is possible, but I also think that it is extremely unlikely that anything like that could actually happen in these days of internet and cell phone cameras. And if you get caught doing something like that in your own country you would face a firing squad or mob justice.

Jamo,
We basically wrote the Japanese Constitution after the war. Maybe you should take it up with MacArthur.:p

Steve

Steve...it's just fine, but it seems to me that if we are the ones guaranteeing their existence, we ought not hear nary a peep from that quarter.

The Treaty of Versailles "prevented" Germany from having an army of more than 100,000. with no tanks, airplanes, or subs. 6 ships were allowed.

Since that treaty was so punitive, WWII must have been our fault too.

The Japanese perspective that we forced, planned, instigated, the Pearl Harbor attack is interesting. Silly and stupid, but interesting.
I read a history book in Germany [actually a few German history books]. They disavow any responsibility for Hitler. The country was in turmoil with NEW Governments coming in AND going out, sometimes in the same day. Their version is the Hitler's Government was the FORTY-FIFTH different Government in a 90 day period. So HOW could they know he would turn out to be a mad man?

:o

Dan,

And they did abide by the treaty as they built the guns, planes, and subs and ships for other nations and were doing it just to generate jobs for the German people. Of course with German efficiency they had to test them before they would put them on the market.

Ron :p

So let me get this straight. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor because the USA made them? Which is like a defense for drunk driving, "I didn't mean to your Honor 'cause I was drunk." Or maybe it falls under the category of "The devil made me do it." How about the drug addict who does burglary because he HAS to have the money to get more drugs and his addiction made him do it.

Unbelievable that someone from Japan would even SUGGEST such a stupid excuse for war! And this is in their TEXT BOOKS????

I understand the screwed up thinking process being espoused here. America didn't want to go to war, something had to be done to pull them in, blah blah blah. Ten pounds of BS in an eight pound sack, and it stinks!

Two words: TAKE RESPONSIBILITY

That is funny ... the ONLY reason the US is NOT a 3rd world country at the moment is because both Japan and China holds over $900 Billion worth of your debt. Clinton was here a few months ago asking Japan to purchase another $100 billion to keep the US a float from going under.

Now if you know anything, if both Japan and China decided to DUMB the US bonds that they both hold it would send the US$ crashing faster than the WTC's hitting the deck, the US would take the same path that Argentina has taken. And look at the dumb.

I think it is Japan and China that are guaranteeing YOUR existence, and we ought not hear a peep from the US:D

Also look in to who is paying for your stupid wars, 2008 Bush asked Japan for $400 Billion which Japan handed over, against what the public wanted, The Japanese Tax payers said "NO it is a US Cluster F**K let the US citizens pay for it" But as the US is BROKE it once again has come to Japan to borrow money!:mad:

You have only just paid for the US embassy that was 15 years late at $10 Million a year, That bill was $225 Million. Thank you for paying that, please make sure you pay on time for now on.






Excaliber, Go look up on the NET the US Declassified Doc

"The McCollum Memo:
The Smoking Gun of Pearl Harbor"

This memo, which proves that the government of the United States desired to lure Japan into an attack, was declassified in 1994.

A little from the Memo

Excaliber, Two words: TAKE RESPONSIBILITY:D


Go to war with Iraq because of WMD, Unbelievable that someone from the USA would even SUGGEST such a stupid excuse for war! Maybe they should look at the WMD in their own back yard and start a war with themselves.:LOL:

Tatsushigi...you're most certainly providing an interesting perspective here.

Please be aware that you are being a bit, shall we say "aggressive" in your comments which border on being a rather unmitigated example of complete and utter valueless utterances.

Calm down a bit so you can stick around here for longer than knat fart. ;)

Tatsushigi,
You must be a sad, sad, HIGHLY IMPRESSIONABLE, conspiracy theorist.

Your "source," whatreallyhappened.com is a comedy store. Reading thru just a little of their site says, "EVERY WAR THE US HAS BEEN IN, IS a result of US Gov't conspiracy to START that war.

The 'Maine' a plot
Pearl Harbor, a plot
Vietnam, a plot,
Kosovo, a plot,,
Iraq, a plot, Don't know how they skipped over the Alamo.

Here is a excerpt from the site:
"While several American Presidents have willingly started wars for personal purposes, perhaps no President has ever carried it to the extreme that Bill Clinton has.

Coincident with the expected public statement of Monica Lewinsky following her testimony, Bill Clinton ordered a cruise missile attack on Sudan and Afghanistan, claiming to have had irrefutable proof that bogeyman extraordinaire (and former Afghani ally) Osama Bin Ladin was creating terrorist chemical weapons there.

Examination of the photos of the debris revealed none of the expected structures one would find in a laboratory that handled lethal weapons-grade materials. Assurances from the CIA that they had a positive soil test for biological weapons fell on their face when it was revealed that there had been no open soil anywhere near the pre-bombed facility. Sudan requested that international observers come test the remains of the factory for any signs of the nerve gas Clinton had insisted was there. None was found. The Sudanese plant was a harmless aspirin factory, and the owner has sued for damages.

Later examination of the site hit in Afghanistan revealed it to be a mosque.


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Meanwhile, back in Kosovo, stories about genocide and atrocities were flooding the media (in time to distract from the Sudanese embarrassments), just as lurid and sensational and as it turns out often just as fictional as most of William Randolph Hearst's stories of atrocities against the Cubans.

Again, the government and the media were hoaxing Americans. The above photo was shown on all the American networks, claiming to be one of Slobodan Milosovic's Migs, shot down while attacking civilians. Closer examination (click on the photo) shows it to be stenciled in English!

Like Germany under Chancellor Hitler, there have been events in our nation which strike fear into the hearts of the citizens, such as the New York World Trade Tower bombing, the OK City Federal Building, and the Olympic Park bomb (nicely timed to divert the media from witnesses to the TWA 800 shoot down). The media has been very quick to blame such events on "radicals", "subversives", "vast right wing conspiracies", and other "enemies in our midst", no different than the lies used by Cicero and Hitler. "

Liberals are going to be upset that Clinton was the worst!:D:JEKYLHYDE:3DSMILE:

So thanx for the laughs

With all the talks about prosecuting the lawyers...

I would be a little bit nervous if I were a White House Lawyer working on bail outs...

Dan40, I trust the US as much as I trust a terrorist with a IED strapped to his chest.... NOT!**)

With any luck Obama will chance the crappy image the US has around the world!




PS : Can you let me and the rest of the world know when you find the WMD in Iraq please. I like to know what my taxes are paying for!

That's the problem with the rest of the world they think that its all about image, but it's not it is about [size="6"]RESULTS[size="3"]. That is pretty much why the U.S. has to be police man to the world.

Perhaps you slept through the Chemical attacks and the de-classified info about the 300 tons of yellowcake that was removed from Iraq.

As far as trusing governments with WMDs, how about the nuke test in Australia back in the 50s where they "forgot" to relocate the local natives.:rolleyes:

You know I hear this pissing and moaning about how the US is this big bully, yet you a-holes never consider the fact that even you take for granted the US will never attack you.

As far as your "scoop" that our government provoked Japan, well Japan was trying to solve it's age old problem of lack of land mass to support it's population by grabbing territories in SE Asia. The US was well aware of the atrocities they were commiting in these countries. My Parents as well as others told me of the newsreels that were shown in the US prior to Dec '41 of footage of Japanese soldiers commiting horrible acts (like tossing babies in the air and catching them on their bayonets).

Not to mention the medical experiments, death marches, ect. Maybe you need to crack open a few books (outside of Japan) to enlighten yourself.

Until then might I suggest a non-US forum???;)

You are mired in misguided conspiracy nonsense. Who you trust only matters to the weirdos that have you brainwashed into believing absolute dribble. Distrust the US all you want, but remember, without the US you would NOT be able to post your fanatic rantings.