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Ronbo 05-04-2009 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tatsushige (Post 946100)
Well believe in what you want, I will NOT change my mind!:D

Since your from Australia, you should talk to your family. Lots of Ausies fought in WWII.

Your thinking is fundimentally flawed because you don't realize these wars were not fought by govenments, but by your Fathers, Grand fathers, Uncles, Great uncles, ect. If your thinking is that they were immoral people bent on destroying innocent Japanese, well, I disagree. They did nothing short of save the world. (although they'd never say it) All of us, including the people of Japan, Germany, and Italy are in their debt, not any government.

As far as trusting government, hell our country was founded on the basis that the government can't be trusted. Just look at our struggle to keep our right to arm ourselves. (which you've lost where your at);)

bomelia 05-06-2009 09:50 AM

Well, they would not have lost that right if they were not so busy terrorizing (and killing) their neigbors way back when, and until up to about 60 years ago. Personally, I hope Article 9 is never overturned. I think, based on the elitist attitude I am picking up on, things could go backwards.

Dan40 05-06-2009 10:11 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong about the sadly duped and plotted against, by the evil US, mild mannered Japanese. But wasn't it the Japanese Samurai that were allowed to, even expected to, test the keenness of their blades by lopping off the heads of passing farmers and fishermen, or women? Or children?


Nice guys, all!

jhv48 05-06-2009 03:10 PM

I think that war should have NO rules whatsoever. Do whatever it takes to annihilate the opposition as fast as possible.

Maybe then we would think twice about starting one.

And from reading all the posts from chop suey, start one with him at the epicenter!

Tatsushige 05-06-2009 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan40 (Post 946621)
Correct me if I'm wrong about the sadly duped and plotted against, by the evil US, mild mannered Japanese. But wasn't it the Japanese Samurai that were allowed to, even expected to, test the keenness of their blades by lopping off the heads of passing farmers and fishermen, or women? Or children?


Nice guys, all!


And if you believe that then you are ****** then I give you credit for. but what can one expect from a person in a country were they believe in everything they see in films.


Anyways

Time to INVADE the terrorist state if israel over WMD:p

Quote:

Israel brushes off call to sign nuclear arms pact

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel brushed off Wednesday a U.S. call to sign the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, saying it saw no indication that the Obama administration wanted to revise the secrecy around the assumed Israeli atomic arsenal.

"As far as we are concerned, there is no change to the close dialogue we have with Washington," Foreign Ministry spokesman Yossi Levy said in response to the call by U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Rose Gottemoeller on Israel to join the NPT.

Levy's statement did not elaborate. Such language by Israeli officials in this context refers to Washington's decades-old practice of not asking its ally to come clean on its nuclear capabilities and accept international regulation.

Israel is widely assumed to have the Middle East's only atomic weapons but neither confirms nor denies this under an "ambiguity" billed as deterring foes while avoiding the sort of provocations that can trigger arms races. Arab countries and Iran see a double-standard in the U.S.-sanctioned reticence.

Speaking Tuesday during a meeting at the United Nations of the 189 NPT signatories, Gottemoeller said "universal adherence to the NPT itself, including by India, Israel , Pakistan and North Korea ... remains a fundamental objective of the United States."

She did not say whether the Obama administration planned new steps to press Israel on the issue.

The NPT is designed to facilitate access to peaceful nuclear energy while placing safeguards against the production of bombs, such as mandatory U.N. inspections.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, an Israeli official said NPT membership had not stopped Iraq and Libya from trying to develop nuclear weapons.

"Its effects on Iran have (also) failed to meet the eye," the official told Reuters. "It is therefore hard to understand why there should be such an insistence on a treaty that has proven its inefficiency."

Israel and the West regard Iran's nuclear program as a potential threat, although Tehran insists its purpose is to produce nuclear energy only.

According to declassified American documents cited by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists magazine, under Richard Nixon the United States knew Israel had developed nuclear weapons but opted against demanding transparency. In turn, Israel agreed not to test a bomb nor declare itself nuclear-armed, scholars say.

The arrangement allows Israel to skirt a U.S. ban on funding states that proliferate weapons of mass-destruction. It can thus enjoy some $3 billion (1.99 billion pounds) in annual defence aid from Washington.


This is one WAR I am happy to get in to:3DSMILE: Give me a HK416 and a PSG-1 and I will be on my way!**)

Ronbo 05-06-2009 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan40 (Post 946621)
Correct me if I'm wrong about the sadly duped and plotted against, by the evil US, mild mannered Japanese. But wasn't it the Japanese Samurai that were allowed to, even expected to, test the keenness of their blades by lopping off the heads of passing farmers and fishermen, or women? Or children?


Nice guys, all!

Well, not quite. A Samurai would only under special circumstance even partialy reveal the blade of his sword. However it was expected to bow to them and failure to show respect was considered an insult to the lord they served. Typically, your head would part company from your body in short order.

Look folks, we all have skeletons in our closets and our homes sit on land we kicked someone's azz for at some point. If history had not taken the course it did I'd be sitting in a thatch hut picking ticks off my balls, hoping I find something to kill tomorrow so I don't starve.

Those who forged my past left me a better life and what they felt was a good government, no doubt at someone's expense at times. They witnessed wrongs in the world and did what they could to stop it even if it was outside our borders. The point of history is to learn from (not blame) mistakes and hopefully not repeat them. The US and a handfull of other countries have managed to not have a global conflict break out under it's 60yrs of sitting on Europe and standing firm against the Communists.

We've all made our share of mistakes, but I dare any country to compare to the US in tossing our dirty laundry out in the front yard for everyone to see. (eventually someone talks)

BTW bankrupsy is nothing new for US (or most any country), We were bankrupt after WWII, the civil war, the cold war (almost). But we'll pick ourselves up. Possibly those who claim to stand by us will help, some will no doubt just kick us instead. Either way we'll get back up.

Tatsushige 05-07-2009 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronbo (Post 946838)
The point of history is to learn from (not blame) mistakes and hopefully not repeat them.

Yes but the problem is WE have NOT learnt from the mistakes, look at the jews and the Arab Problem.

EG the ILLEGAL land grabs by the jews at the expense of the Arabs.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...e/6712edf6.jpg

Now if anyone did the same to an ally of the US, UK or Australia, we be bombing the hell out of them like we did to Iraq in 1990/91 when they invaded Kuwait.

YET we sit back and watch as the jews do the same thing as the Nazis did, by exterminating the Palestinian slowly day by day.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x.../untitledk.jpg

The US went ape**** at the Russians over the use of Force on Georgia yet from what I have read have said SFA and not allot about the use of Force the jews threw at the Palestinians.

Like I said before, If you are a Friend of the West you can break any International Laws you like and get away with it, if you are not a Friend of the West you will have the West give you the **** about your actions for the rest of time!

Ron61 05-07-2009 07:02 AM

Edited to delete content. Just not worth arguing with that guy or whatever he is today.

Ron

Jamo 05-07-2009 07:13 AM

Ron...this may be a first...watch the personal comments/attacks.

:cool:

Jamo 05-07-2009 07:17 AM

Tatsushige...I'm giving you a warning as well. Those astericks that keep showing up in your posts don't filter out the anger/meaning of some of your ill-chosen comments. Keep it calm and on track.

:cool:

Ron61 05-07-2009 07:20 AM

Jamo,

You read my original post. Nothing in it that was not true. I just don't see any reason to waste time arguing with anyone who is set in their mind that only they are correct about anything and history is lying. I really was not making a personal attack against him at all.

Ron :o

Jamo 05-07-2009 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron61 (Post 946931)
Jamo,

You read my original post. Nothing in it that was not true. I just don't see any reason to waste time arguing with anyone who is set in their mind that only they are correct about anything and history is lying. I really was not making a personal attack against him at all.

Ron :o

Thanks for getting the point and the editing, which still looks like you're flipping him off on the way out the door. ;)

In any event...

Dan40 05-07-2009 08:50 AM

Honorable Kamikaze follow way of Bullsh!to.

jhv48 05-07-2009 10:09 AM

Shoulda built THREE A-bombs!

Tatsushige 05-07-2009 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron61 (Post 946931)
I just don't see any reason to waste time arguing with anyone who is set in their mind that only they are correct about anything and history is lying.


OK So you want me to BELIEVE you because you think you are CORRECT and the HISTORY written by the WEST is CORRECT!

Why should I believe in what you claim as FACT when I have read Japanese HISTORY and what they claim is FACT.

You can not say you must believe in this because we the WEST wrote it, but you can not believe in that because the JAPANESE wrote it.

I can say the same thing as you have, but from my point of VIEW and from the HISTORY I have learnt here in Japan the past 6 years


Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron61 (Post 946931)
I just don't see any reason to waste time arguing with anyone who is set in their mind that only they are correct about anything and history is lying.

(From a Western Point of View on History)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tatsushige (Post 946931)
I just don't see any reason to waste time arguing with anyone who is set in their mind that only they are correct about anything and history is lying.

(From a Japans Point of View on History)

Both the SAME Comment but from the other persons point of view, so who is correct and who is wrong, as both have different looks on HISTORY from what they have read!






Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamo (Post 946929)
Tatsushige...I'm giving you a warning as well. Those astericks that keep showing up in your posts don't filter out the anger/meaning of some of your ill-chosen comments. Keep it calm and on track.

:cool:


Sorry Aussie Lingo, We are NOT Political Correct and we speak direct and not beat about the bush.



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Originally Posted by jhv48 (Post 946993)
Shoulda built THREE A-bombs!


Well you have enough now, start testing them on israel:D they have WMD and not part of the NPT, the US is having a go at the DPRK and Iran, yet israel is doing the same thing as the other two. WHY the DOUBLE STANDARDS!

jhv48 05-07-2009 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tatsushige (Post 947086)

Well you have enough now, start testing them on israel:D they have WMD and not part of the NPT, the US is having a go at the DPRK and Iran, yet israel is doing the same thing as the other two. WHY the DOUBLE STANDARDS!

No thanks, I'd prefer to drop the third one on your ancestors.

Thus, end of discussion!

Tatsushige 05-07-2009 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jhv48 (Post 947170)
No thanks, I'd prefer to drop the third one on your ancestors.

Thus, end of discussion!

Do not think the UK Government would be happy you bombing ENGLAND and remember the US was part of the UK:D

So if you like to test on my ancestors I would advice you to just take out on of your own cities. Because I can put money on it a few of the BRITISH ancestors moved to the US!

Jamo 05-07-2009 10:54 PM

Hey kids! The big hand on the clock says we're just about done here, so let's start thinking about final thoughts and salutations.

Tatsushige 05-07-2009 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamo (Post 947224)
Hey kids! The big hand on the clock says we're just about done here, so let's start thinking about final thoughts and salutations.

Sorry Dad! I will pick up my Cricket Bat and Ball and go play with the Aussie and British Kids, at least they are not paranoid that everyone is Anti-American because the person disagrees with the US or its Written History!




But back on Topic for a Bit!

As for should anyone be charged with a crime for torture..

This subhuman throw back is a example of someone that should have the same done to him, with any luck he will be given a lethal injection and I hope it is a LONG and PAINFUL death, but before that I hope the scumball is gang raped in prison ever day on death row.

Quote:

US soldier guilty of Iraqi girl's murder

A US federal jury will determine whether former soldier Steven Dale Green should be executed for raping an Iraqi teenager and executing the girl and her family, court officials say.

It took the jurors less than two days of deliberations to find Green guilty on all 17 criminal counts, which included rape, premeditated murder and obstruction of justice.


Subhuman scum like this need to be removed from the GENE POOL and any off spring the same thing done!

fsstnotch 05-08-2009 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Tatsushige (Post 947239)
and any off spring the same thing done!

That's a bit offensive, and further shows who here is closed minded...... now the whole family should be accountable for his actions..... Mayeb we should go up and down the gene pool and just execute everyone who has a association with the guy? Might as well do the same for any convicted rapist or murderer. Might also be a solution to many other issues the world is having :rolleyes: Take a walk :rolleyes:


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