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Default 5 freedoms you'd lose in health care reform

5 freedoms you'd lose in health care reform

http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/24/news...ion=2009072410

Truly scary article - if most people read this then this bill will be DOA.

I suggest sending that link/story out to everyone on your personal e-mail lists. The media isn’t doing it, it’s up to us!!
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July 23, 2009: 48 Important Things to Know About Obama's Healthcare Plan

Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.


You can download the complete bill text
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...=f:h3200ih.pdf
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Not that the 5 FREEDOMS lost in the Health Care Lie aren't important. But this health care BS is just another step along the path to total control and the ELIMINATION of the AMERICAN REPUBLIC. I believe that more and more each day that the questions of his past associations are coming back to haunt us. He might well be the "MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE" in reality.

We do not really need to read the Health Care Bill to know its bad. When ALL who recommend it LIE constantly about it, it is obviously a bad bill. Just weeks ago 30 million Americans had no access to health care! That IS a lie, but its the number they used. Then it became 45 million with no access to health care. Another LIE. Now its 50 million with no access to health care. The lie is not in the number [they'll go to 500 million if they thought that would work] The lie is in the "no access to health care." The number of Americans with no access to health care in this country is ZERO. Some do not have health INSURANCE for financial or personal choice decisions. But they can get all the health care they need. The truly poor are covered by MEDICAID. The ones a little better off have to go bankrupt if they run up a large health care bill. What does that do? They KEEP their house, they keep their car, they lose the unpaid health care bill. [AND ALL their other bills] If they had a little savings, they lose that. Had they bought insurance, they wouldn't have the savings anyway. Life is hard. Fair is what the county puts on each year.

The LIARS talk about how much better health care is in other countries. Every American with an operating brain KNOWS that is a lie.

What they want is to NATIONALIZE the insurance companies like they did the banks and investments industry. Also they want to control ACCESS to health care. They do not want to FIX anything. It is just another step along the road to a complete TOTALITARIAN Government and the elimination of FREEDOM.
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There is no doubt that we are going down the wrong road. In 1929, the U.S. government was spending 3 percent of gross domestic product. Obama's first budget will consume 28 percent of the entire GDP; state and local governments another 15 percent. While there is some overlap, in 2009, government will consume 40 percent of GDP, approaching the peak of World War II.

The deficit for 2009 is $1.8 trillion, 13 percent of the whole economy. Obama is pushing a cap-and-trade bill to cut carbon emissions that will impose huge costs on energy production, spike consumer prices and drive production offshore to China. The pending health care bill will take over 16% of the GDP, add to the deficit and explode the federal debt over time.

When the government consumes close to 50% of the GDP, one is residing in a Socialist state. That's on track to happen by the end of Obama's first term.

In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson called George III a tyrant for having "erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out their substance."

What did George III do with his Stamp Act, Townshend Acts or tea tax to compare with what is being done to this generation of Americans by their own government?
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An online guide to some of the places that report on the so called Health Care Reform.

http://www.slate.com/id/2220222?obref=obinsite

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Unless someone has power beyond, it does little to react to this as we have been spoon fed this crap for years.

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We the people can stop this from happening. Not reacting now will insure that it will happen.
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A follow up on my post above about the number of Americans having no access to health care. That number is ZERO, BY LAW. And I should not have said "Americans!" ANYONE in this Nation, citizen, illegal, tourist, terrorist, Martian, that presents themselves to or is brought into ANY Emergency Room at any hospital in the US, MUST be treated BY LAW, regardless of their ability to pay.

So WHY do the libs. constantly harp [and lie] about "access to health care?"
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That question alters the reason for health care reform – it’s not about reforming health care, it’s about controlling another segment of the GDP.

Why on earth would we basically blow up an excellent system? Yes, it’s getting a little pricey for some but that can be dealt with, big time, by tweaking the delivery system, allowing COBRA coverage to extend to the point a person secures new employment, allowing the spouse of someone on Medicare to also be on Medicare before age 65, allowing someone 55 or older that has lost his/her job to be on Medicare (at least temporarily, addressing pre-condition scenarios, etc.

The really poor get Medicaid, the really old get Medicare. The really lame and stupid have ready access to clinics and emergency rooms at hospitals – even illegal aliens. Those in the 20-30 age group (millions) don’t generally have a big need for health care – they don’t want to pay for it, anyway.

Problem – what problem? Around 100-200 tweaks will make it right with the cost to the federal government (us) zero. Problem solved – move on to energy – drill, clean coal – another problem solved for now.
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