Whitehouse “snitch on your neighbor” project (ObamaCare)

[cobra de capell]

[VRM]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

It would be funnier if you mis-spelled it to read faceism.

[cobra de capell]

It's not funny at all. Actually, the funny part is that you think is was posted as funny. That's only on the joke thread. You are so out of touch with reality, on the other hand, I suppose your support for Obama is your reality and level of truth.

God Save America from the left.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

It's not funny at all. Actually, the funny part is that you think is was posted as funny. That's only on the joke thread. You are so out of touch with reality, on the other hand, I suppose your support for Obama is your reality and level of truth.

God Save America from the left.

My friends all say that I have a rather dark and morbid sense of humour. It's even funnier that you didn't mean it that way... 'Why so serious?!?'

If I am out of touch with reality then why do you think I support Obama when I didn't vote for him, and disagree with him on most everything he is doing? Do you have your tin foil hat on again??

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[Juggernaut]

Wow, this thread proves it takes all kinds of people to make the world go around.

Beam me up Scotty!

[cobra bill]

Jumping the gun a little there, I never took your words out of context and if you read my comment ( I wrote for those that can't afford it) and yes you are correct that if you negotiate with them it is less, recently I paid cash for my sons treatment at a hospital and I got a 60% discount for cash, that tells me that the rest is inflated to absorb the non paying customers, i.e. even insurance companies are paying an inflated price.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by cobra bill

Jumping the gun a little there, I never took your words out of context and if you read my comment ( I wrote for those that can't afford it) and yes you are correct that if you negotiate with them it is less, recently I paid cash for my sons treatment at a hospital and I got a 60% discount for cash, that tells me that the rest is inflated to absorb the non paying customers, i.e. even insurance companies are paying an inflated price.

On WHO and infant mortality. Most countries count live births that do not make it past infancy as an infant mortality. WE count every PREGNANCY that does not make it past infancy as an infant mortality. A MASSIVELY larger number. If we ONLY counted live births that failed we would be far in front.
WHO HAS an agenda, that is to insure and increase their funding.
Liberal politicians and obama have an agenda, to control US health care. ANY improvements for the poor or health care in general will be purely coincidental.
Conservative politicians have an agenda, to get back in power.
Do you really believe that the page by page COPIES of the health care proposals all over the net, are lies by angry mobs? Do you really believe that the outrageous restrictions on FREEDOM that ARE in the health care bill, are not there?? Do you really believe that the job and business busting tax increases that are in the bill are NOT there??? Is there any reason that ACORN should have a provision in a health care bill that says the Government will pay THEM. They have nothing to do with health care. They should not be mentioned in any way. Do you really believe that someone has organized ordinary people to complain loudly to politicians of both parties in town halls.
We ARE seeing dynamic Democracy in ACTION and the democraps don't like it. But their transparent lies have caused it. But they want to blame right wingers and insurance companies now. But it is just Americans DEMANDING that THEIR Representatives do what they are told by their constituents. As the law says they are charged to do. They do not make the decisions, the people do and right now the people ARE doing it.
The PEOPLE HAVE AN AGENDA, to take back our Nation from corrupt politicians.
And before you go Bush Bashing. He went wrong. Obama is going way wrong, STOP them all now and get back to honest and reasonable Government NOW. You cannot fix Bush's mistakes by making worse mistakes. Corruption and lies by Washington are a quantum leap worse now than the last administration, and they were plenty bad.

[cobra de capell]

OK Class time for a little visual test:

I am going to show you two pictures, please tell us which picture is of a PROFESSIONAL Group of Protestors (A.K.A. a Rent A MOB) and which picture is of a "grass roots" group of Protestors:

Picture A:



Picture B:



Take your time and really study the pics... ;-)

[cobra bill]

Both groups are! what do I win?

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by cobra bill

Both groups are! what do I win?

You would love for that to be true, but the first group is AMERICANS being involved in their nations direction. Acting as individuals and voicing their own minds. No one is paying them to say or do anything. They are motivated by concern for our country.

The second group is a gang of organized AND paid criminal thugs that use criminal acts [of which they HAVE been convicted] and intimidation to frighten people into NOT voting against ACORN's agenda. They are for what they are paid to be for and against what they are paid to be against.

[Excaliber]

I'm not sure I see the difference in a guy loosing his job because he is sick and filing bankruptcy later because of his medical bills. In the end, it was the medical bills that took his house, his savings, ruined his credit.

It might not have come to such a end if he could have received decent medical care immediatly following the loss of his job/insurance. Once the insurance goes away you may wait on the Doctors until your really really sick. Then it's really really gonna cost you.

Not all medical care is free to the poor and hospitals can, will and have refused treatment. When the cancer clinics for the poor shut down because their out of funding the hospital isn't going to cover your chemotherapy. It's happening right now all over the country, people ARE dieing from lack of funded medical care. SOMETHING needs to be done!

[cobra de capell]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

I'm not sure I see the difference in a guy loosing his job because he is sick and filing bankruptcy later because of his medical bills. In the end, it was the medical bills that took his house, his savings, ruined his credit.

It might not have come to such a end if he could have received decent medical care immediatly following the loss of his job/insurance. Once the insurance goes away you may wait on the Doctors until your really really sick. Then it's really really gonna cost you.

Not all medical care is free to the poor and hospitals can, will and have refused treatment. When the cancer clinics for the poor shut down because their out of funding the hospital isn't going to cover your chemotherapy. It's happening right now all over the country, people ARE dieing from lack of funded medical care. SOMETHING needs to be done!

So, we all need to step up and pay for unlimited treatment? Why not just liberals? Does the Constitution grant fully-paid medical treatment for all?

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by cobra de capell

http://www.shieldofachilles.net/2007...lf-of-all.html

Posted URL provides the real scope on the fact that medical BK's are way less than 1/2 of BK's - the 1/2 comes from a flawed study by die-hard liberals.

That absolutely explains exactly what I see, in reality.

Originally Posted by Excaliber

I'm not sure I see the difference in a guy loosing his job because he is sick and filing bankruptcy later because of his medical bills. In the end, it was the medical bills that took his house, his savings, ruined his credit.

There actually is a big difference. I never heard of someone's home being taken away from them because of medical bills, that is, a hospital or doctor putting a lien on somebodys home resulting in foreclosure. Although not paying medical bills may hurt your credit, you won't have your house taken from you. In contrast, if you don't pay your mortgage or pay your taxes, property, income, etc,, there will be a foreclosure, sheriff's sale, etc, where your preoperty will be taken from you. To me that's a big difference.

And, many times, the sickness is an "injury" resulting in disabilty, inability to work, although the same illness/injury does not always result in permanent disabilty in all people. Why is that the case?

Originally Posted by Excaliber

It might not have come to such a end if he could have received decent medical care immediatly following the loss of his job/insurance. Once the insurance goes away you may wait on the Doctors until your really really sick. Then it's really really gonna cost you.

Sometimes you can't fix what was broken, no matter what, no matter how good or bad the care was, as determined usually by someone who doesn't know what they're doing. If you don't have a lot of assets, you can't lose much. I heard that 1/4 of US home-owners currently owe more than what their house is worth, and will increase it 1/3 possibly.

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Not all medical care is free to the poor and hospitals can, will and have refused treatment. When the cancer clinics for the poor shut down because their out of funding the hospital isn't going to cover your chemotherapy. It's happening right now all over the country, people ARE dieing from lack of funded medical care. SOMETHING needs to be done!

Hospitals can't refuse to provide treatment once a patient is admitted, and if they come through the ER, and if the patient is sick enough, they have to be admitted. It's also unlawful for any hopital to "dump" (transfer) a patient to another facility because of reimbursement issues. However, once in the hospital, some doctors are not obligated to treat all patients, see all consults, and can pick and choose for whatever reason. But, I've have not ever heard or witnessed a doctor or hospital denying life and death medical care leading to the demise of a patient. Although you may not be able to get medical care at all facilities in your area, there has to be one or two that will provide care, a non-profit teaching institution.

Originally Posted by Excaliber

SOMETHING needs to be done!

There are actually alot of things that could be done, but its nothing that Obama (lawyer) would ever approve of. Wonder why.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

I'm not sure I see the difference in a guy loosing his job because he is sick and filing bankruptcy later because of his medical bills. In the end, it was the medical bills that took his house, his savings, ruined his credit.

It might not have come to such a end if he could have received decent medical care immediatly following the loss of his job/insurance. Once the insurance goes away you may wait on the Doctors until your really really sick. Then it's really really gonna cost you.

Not all medical care is free to the poor and hospitals can, will and have refused treatment. When the cancer clinics for the poor shut down because their out of funding the hospital isn't going to cover your chemotherapy. It's happening right now all over the country, people ARE dieing from lack of funded medical care. SOMETHING needs to be done!

A person does not lose their house, or car, or have their credit ruined in a medical bill bankruptcy. In a regular overextended bankruptcy, they do have their credit ruined---WELL before the bankruptcy. If a person files due to medical bills and pays their other bills even tho they are wiped away in the bankruptcy. Their credit is fine. Savings go,,yes. I should pay to protect someone else's savings?

If a hospital refused critical care to anyone, a good lawyer would soon own that hospital. The poor guy would still be screwed, but his lawyer would do fine. That is nature's way. It was that way when we ran around with clubs, it is still that way today, and it will ALWAYS be that way. The liberals always DREAM that they can change the basic nature of the world. They cannot.

Something needs to be done??? Let the poor DIE. It is the fiscally and society prudent thing to do. Saves money and improves the gene pool.

[Excaliber]

...not even worth commenting on, radical right wing nut cases for the most part who have no clue.

[mdmull]

I can't conceive of being so poor that I would wait until my finger fell off before paying $5.
I used to be a lib (young & foolish) so I can imagine being so stupid that I'd wait until my finger fell off before paying anything.

[cobra de capell]

A combative President Obama speaking in McLean, Virginia yesterday where he once again reminded everyone "I am the President," and said he does not want who he called "the people who created the mess" to "do a lot of talking." He said arrogantly, "I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking."

WTF?

[cobra de capell]

Barack Obama Going to the Mattresses

CLEMENZA: "What's with all the new faces?"
TESSIO: "We're gonna need them now. Obama got mad after the Town Hall thing. We hit some senior citizens 4 o'clock this morning."

[Excaliber]

Las Vegas, and you can't bet it's happening all over the country.

2000 patients received a letter telling them there will be no more chemo therapy. If you are poor enough, you are ok as there is Medicaid to help take care of the poor and obviously if you are rich, there’s no issue, but the middle class is who is stuck, those who lost jobs and were making between 30-50k a year and now have no insurance.

Sure, no one is going to be denied medical care, right, and pigs fly! It's just blows my mind how out of touch with reality some of you are. Why SHOULDN'T you pay, in some way to help?

The hospital won't put a lien on your house, instead, the contractor that supplied you with oxygen and a hospital bed will stop delivering and reposess your bed and other care items. No more drugs, your left to die, THEN Medicaid will take your house and kick your kids out on the street. But there is nothing to say to you right wingnuts that will make you see the truth, you are blind to the problem as you contemplate your next engine build and stock your ammunition. Pathetic!

[cobra bill]

For all those with functioning brain cells and are willing to look at the truth, here is a website you may find enlightening, for all those that could not fire up a synapse to connect with a brain cell, and you know who you are, I expect no more from you then what your disability allows.
http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/...alth-bill.html