Whitehouse “snitch on your neighbor” project (ObamaCare)

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Originally Posted by Dan40

Health care for poor parents and poor babies is FREE. So ZERO babies are going to die from lack of health care.

Ummmm - hello - who exactly do you think pays for 'FREE'? Do you think it might be the same people who do not want to pay for 'FREE' now? If we add more people to 'FREE', then we have to also add more people to 'PAY'. Or we have to make the people in 'PAY' pay more. Which group are you in? If we cannot afford to pay any more then 'FREE' will dry up, and they will start to move to the 'DIE' group.

Originally Posted by Dan40

Yes there are people that are struggling financially. I won't even ask why you think THEY are not the ones MOST responsible for that. Instead I'll ask that if it is OK to preform an invasive operation on a woman to KILL a baby. Why is not OK to preform an invasive operation on her and tie her tubes? The ligation is a less serious procedure than the abortion. And CURES that problem and a host of others.

Ummm - where did I say that they are not responsible? There are a lot of good and educated people out of work right now, but that is the exception rather than the rule - and a completely different thread. I am in favour of forced tubal ligation for people that abuse the system, and I have said so here in this forum before.

Originally Posted by Dan40

They do NOT wait at all! ER's are loaded with poor with sniffles, cuts, bruises, aches, pains, same as any Doc's office. There are and have been for decades, County Health services that do routine check ups and preventive care for the poor That's part of why I state the FACT that the liberals are lying all the time. They KNOW that coverage is there and has been there, but they want the general public to think there is a crisis, when NO such crisis exists.

They do not wait because they pay nothing for their care. Waynes comment about Canada is the same - there is no penalty for showing up at the ER for a hangnail. For some people, though, even $5 will be too much, and they will wait until their finger is going to fall off just to save the $5. I do not know how to make this work so that people only go when they really do need legit care. I do my best to self-diagnose and evaluate before going to the doc, but I also have a high degree of confidence in my ability to troubleshoot. Others will only be happy when 5 doctors tell them that they are not terminal.

Originally Posted by Dan40

Your 3rd. para.
That has been the routine for well more than a quarter of a century, maybe half a century.

It's a routine that needs to change if we are going to control costs.

Originally Posted by Dan40

Your 4th. para.
All our health care system needs is cost control. Access is at 100% and has been. And our US health care IS the very finest in the world.
WHO says its not. WHO is funded by member GOVERNMENTS. Many of which OWN their countries health care delivery system. How often do you think the WHO bites the hand that feeds them? hint, the answer is 0.
WHO ACCEPTS WHATEVER statistics a country reports to them. [along with the funding check!] Have every country report their health stats the EXACT same way that our NON-Government AMA does and we would be far and away the EASY winner. Just one phase of the WHO's report should explain all. They HEAVILY weigh their rankings on "FAIRNESS" of health care. Well ours isn't the fairest, the rich do get better care. AND ALWAYS WILL, everywhere, but in other, socialized medicine, countries it "officially" doesn't happen.

I agree that we need to manage costs better. We need to encourage insurers to work on efficiency, eliminate redundancy, and allow for greed of big pharma, but better manage the excessive greed. Care for the rich will always be better than that for the poor. I have no problem with that. However, 50-60% of bankruptcies (before the current economic mess) were caused by catastrophic medical costs for a family member. I think we can do better, but I am not exactly sure how without the rich paying for everyone elses care (which I do not want to happen). I take WHO stats (and pretty much everyones) with a grain of salt - the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

Like I said - Obama has the wrong plan.

Steve