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Default Must-Read Evaluation of ObamaCare

(the BEST expose', by a physician)



THE OBAMA HEALTH CARE PLAN – IN ONE WORD
By David H. Janda M.D.

http://frontpage.americandaughter.com/?p=2447
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Once again welcome to the fact free zone! it just keeps getting better.
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That sure was a long read to get to the "one" word, sheesh, I feel cheated!

Cut to the chase, here is the word, "fascist". There, I saved you from having to put on your hip waders and read through all that to get to the "one". Your welcome.
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"Fascist" is the word the "Progressive" radio talk show on AIR AMERICA uses to describe Obama. It seems that the liberals have caught up to Obama's lying ways.

One of the big selling points Obama used to get elected was Bush's lack of transparency and all the back door dealings of the Republicans.

Finally, honesty and transparency in the White House. Obama's commitment to the liberals was the use of CSPAN in dealing with the drug companies. He said his words to the drug companies would be: "thanks, but no thanks!" The negotiations for lower drug costs would be done in public on CSPAN. Drugs are 50% cheaper in Canada and elsewhere. We will get those lower costs.

The behind the scenes deal struck by Obama was a $80 billion deal which amounts to 2% (and that's not 50%). What did Obama sell out the taxpayers for...No further price cuts for drugs...full sticker price!

Now the liberals are catching on. Obama has dropped 6% by the Democrats according to latest Gallup Poll.

Here's a direct quote from AIR AMERICA:

"It makes me puke that we have just been 'Cheneyed' by a guy named Barack Obama."

Oh, they still like him as a person, here another direct quote from AIR AMERICA:

He is a "Charming Liar".

It is somewhat pleasant to see a liberal awaken from his kool-aid induced sleep.
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Just to clean up the error ComputerWorks made by stating that the Union payback wasn't in HR 3200 (and closing my thread), start at page 64 but on page 70....


Page 70, Retiree Trust Fund, under:
(B) FUNDING.—There are hereby appropriated to the Trust Fund, out of any moneys in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, an amount requested by the Secretary as necessary to carry out this section, except that the total of all such amounts requested shall not exceed $10,000,000,000.


Anyone with the intelligence 1/2 click above a mud puddle will know that this is a payback for votes and Union support during TownHall meeting.

Yes, $10 BILLION!

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As Americans search for the cure to what ails our health-care system, we've overlooked an invaluable source of ideas and solutions: the rest of the world. All the other industrialized democracies have faced problems like ours, yet they've found ways to cover everybody -- and still spend far less than we do.
I've traveled the world from Oslo to Osaka to see how other developed democracies provide health care. Instead of dismissing these models as "socialist," we could adapt their solutions to fix our problems. To do that, we first have to dispel a few myths about health care abroad:
1. It's all socialized medicine out there.
Not so. Some countries, such as Britain, New Zealand and Cuba, do provide health care in government hospitals, with the government paying the bills. Others -- for instance, Canada and Taiwan -- rely on private-sector providers, paid for by government-run insurance. But many wealthy countries -- including Germany, the Netherlands, Japan and Switzerland -- provide universal coverage using private doctors, private hospitals and private insurance plans.
In some ways, health care is less "socialized" overseas than in the United States. Almost all Americans sign up for government insurance (Medicare) at age 65. In Germany, Switzerland and the Netherlands, seniors stick with private insurance plans for life. Meanwhile, the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs is one of the planet's purest examples of government-run health care.
2. Overseas, care is rationed through limited choices or long lines.
Generally, no. Germans can sign up for any of the nation's 200 private health insurance plans -- a broader choice than any American has. If a German doesn't like her insurance company, she can switch to another, with no increase in premium. The Swiss, too, can choose any insurance plan in the country.
In France and Japan, you don't get a choice of insurance provider; you have to use the one designated for your company or your industry. But patients can go to any doctor, any hospital, any traditional healer. There are no U.S.-style limits such as "in-network" lists of doctors or "pre-authorization" for surgery. You pick any doctor, you get treatment -- and insurance has to pay.
Canadians have their choice of providers. In Austria and Germany, if a doctor diagnoses a person as "stressed," medical insurance pays for weekends at a health spa.
As for those notorious waiting lists, some countries are indeed plagued by them. Canada makes patients wait weeks or months for nonemergency care, as a way to keep costs down. But studies by the Commonwealth Fund and others report that many nations -- Germany, Britain, Austria -- outperform the United States on measures such as waiting times for appointments and for elective surgeries.
In Japan, waiting times are so short that most patients don't bother to make an appointment. One Thursday morning in Tokyo, I called the prestigious orthopedic clinic at Keio University Hospital to schedule a consultation about my aching shoulder. "Why don't you just drop by?" the receptionist said. That same afternoon, I was in the surgeon's office. Dr. Nakamichi recommended an operation. "When could we do it?" I asked. The doctor checked his computer and said, "Tomorrow would be pretty difficult. Perhaps some day next week?"
3. Foreign health-care systems are inefficient, bloated bureaucracies.
Much less so than here. It may seem to Americans that U.S.-style free enterprise -- private-sector, for-profit health insurance -- is naturally the most cost-effective way to pay for health care. But in fact, all the other payment systems are more efficient than ours.
U.S. health insurance companies have the highest administrative costs in the world; they spend roughly 20 cents of every dollar for nonmedical costs, such as paperwork, reviewing claims and marketing. France's health insurance industry, in contrast, covers everybody and spends about 4 percent on administration. Canada's universal insurance system, run by government bureaucrats, spends 6 percent on administration. In Taiwan, a leaner version of the Canadian model has administrative costs of 1.5 percent; one year, this figure ballooned to 2 percent, and the opposition parties savaged the government for wasting money.

The world champion at controlling medical costs is Japan, even though its aging population is a profligate consumer of medical care. On average, the Japanese go to the doctor 15 times a year, three times the U.S. rate. They have twice as many MRI scans and X-rays. Quality is high; life expectancy and recovery rates for major diseases are better than in the United States. And yet Japan spends about $3,400 per person annually on health care; the United States spends more than $7,000.
4. Cost controls stifle innovation.
False. The United States is home to groundbreaking medical research, but so are other countries with much lower cost structures. Any American who's had a hip or knee replacement is standing on French innovation. Deep-brain stimulation to treat depression is a Canadian breakthrough. Many of the wonder drugs promoted endlessly on American television, including Viagra, come from British, Swiss or Japanese labs.
Overseas, strict cost controls actually drive innovation. In the United States, an MRI scan of the neck region costs about $1,500. In Japan, the identical scan costs $98. Under the pressure of cost controls, Japanese researchers found ways to perform the same diagnostic technique for one-fifteenth the American price. (And Japanese labs still make a profit.)
For the rest of the article go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...082101778.html
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As I stated, one needs an intelligence level at least 1/2 click above a mud puddle to comprehend the impact of HR 3200.
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Just to clean up the error ComputerWorks made by stating that the Union payback wasn't in HR 3200 (and closing my thread), start at page 64 but on page 70....


Page 70, Retiree Trust Fund, under:
(B) FUNDING.—There are hereby appropriated to the Trust Fund, out of any moneys in the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, an amount requested by the Secretary as necessary to carry out this section, except that the total of all such amounts requested shall not exceed $10,000,000,000.


Anyone with the intelligence 1/2 click above a mud puddle will know that this is a payback for votes and Union support during TownHall meeting.

Yes, $10 BILLION!
CW had it right. The statement you posted in your other thread did not exist in the bill. Read the actual bill instead of the tin-foil hat blogs.

And guess what - ANY company plan is eligible.
You have to be:
Over 55
Retired
Not eligible for SS.

It may apply to retired union people, but it also applies to retired rich executives, and anybody else who meets the criteria.
The goal (if you actually read the rest of the section) is to use up to $10B to lessen the out-of-pocket expenses by subsidising medical plans.

There are other problems with this portion of the bill, but clearly the tin-foil hat types you routinely plagiarise don't understand what they are.

Are you so afraid of the real bill that you need to post made up BS to make it look worse?

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Closed simply because we don't need several threads on the same subject.

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