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Jake 05-30-2008 01:51 PM

New 460 engine build
 
I just talked to the engine builder and he said that my 460 had 3 broken rods and 2 broken pistons. He believes that the failure occurred in the piston which caused a chain reaction that I never want to witness again:LOL:. This time I will be using H-Beam rods and forged pistons. He will be doing some porting, a custom cam and 950 HP carb to top it off. He says it will produce more then 550HP on the dyno and will be very kind on the street. I should have it ready to drop in the end of June. I will advise for a engine party:).

Jake

Steve Bisson 05-30-2008 02:29 PM

Glad to hear you will be back on the road soon. Hopefully you will be able to make the Columbia River and Sun Mountain runs.

Silverback51 05-30-2008 07:45 PM

Yep, hurry up and get it running again. Summer is to short here to waste a single nice day.

Roush #1 05-31-2008 10:29 AM

Jake,
If you are going to replace rods and pistons and it sounds like maybe turning the crank as well, you can pick up 50 quick horsepower by going with a 514 stroker crank. It will probably be the cheapest cost per horsepower you ever spend.
Jody

Jake 06-01-2008 06:16 AM

Jody, I discussed the option of doing a 514 or 521 with my builder and he thought that might not good such a good option in the Cobra due to the high torque at low RPM's. He was afraid that the car would not hook up and just spin the tires. His 521 builds over 650HP and similar torque. He wanted to build my engine to produce power a little higher in the rpm band so I can put it to the ground better.

Jake

HighPlainsDrifter 06-01-2008 09:25 AM

Smoke Show
 
Hey Jake,
My old 460 would launch at idle or it was a smoke show though 80 mph, just ask the Mountie hiding behind the tree in Chilliwack..
Sounds like a good build, keep the compression to 10:1 for pump gas.
Perry.

BPWilliams 06-01-2008 11:09 AM

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I just finished a freshin up on my 385 series 429SCJ. I had 19K miles on it and most of them were track miles. My motor was 540 at the crank with a solid valve train, and PAW gear drive. I am glad I did the tear down because I learned a couple of things in the process.

My PAW Gear drive broke the dog-bone and was floating in the timming chain cover smaking my block. I was also crushing my bearings at the 6.5-6.8K that I was turning the motor on the track. Everything else was perfect! I run JE Pistons.

I only upgraded to Total seal rings (0.05% leak down now) and up graded the bearings and added a Milodon Gear drive. The engine rocks and runs great all of the weak links should be gone now. I know of several 385 series motors that have had piston faliure because they were not forged or better.

HighPlainsDrifter 06-01-2008 01:54 PM

cylinder 7 and 8
 
Jake , just something to look out for on the new engine.
Was 7 or 8 one of the rods that broke?
If you get x fire between them, then 8 can fire over 90* early and cause exponential load on the rod and bearing.
As a precaution I would route the plug wire away from eachother- do not put them parrallel to eachother to look nice.
Perry.

Keithc8 06-01-2008 03:32 PM

460 Engine build
 
The main reason I go with the 514 stroker is to get away from the Ford 2.500 large rod journal size. It is not a very good design for higher RPM use with it's narrow width and large diameter. The 514 stroker crank uses the much better BB Chevy rod journal size of 2.200. The other problem with the 460 Ford engine is that the main oil galley is also the passenger lifter galley and you get a lot of oil lost around the lifters. The main and rod bearings are not getting oiled as good as they really should for a performance engine. This is the same thing that Ford did on the 351C engines and it worked fine for a street low HP engine. We install lifter bore bushing to make the galley solid with a .060 hole to each lifter and this oils the bottom end much better. I would ask your engine builder if he is aware of this problem. You will need to run a little more clearance on the 3.00 mains and 2.5 rods if you stay with that deal. The 514 is a better package for all of the reasons listed above and makes more power. Just change the power band with the camshaft and lower the compression and run on regular gas. Free cheap and more reliable HP witch is a no brainer. Good luck, Keith

Mark Brye 07-04-2008 10:01 AM

Has the day arrived?

Jake 07-07-2008 06:24 AM

Mark, the engine should be done next week. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

Jake

kidcobra 07-07-2008 10:36 PM

is Scotty doing the build for you?
M@

Jake 07-09-2008 12:55 PM

He is indeed. Thanks for the recommendation.

Jake

kidcobra 07-09-2008 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake (Post 859587)
He is indeed. Thanks for the recommendation.

Jake

the man is one of a kind but can build some sweet power houses!!!!!!

FastCar 07-26-2008 11:25 AM

Road Trip
 
Hi Jake,
It's almost August. Is there a summer run in the works? Dennis and Kathi and Gail and I are ready to burn some rubber.
Marshall

Jake 07-29-2008 08:41 PM

Summer Trip
 
Marshall, I would be hard pressed to fit another trip in this summer. Kim and I are booked to the max. I might be able to fit in a few day runs late August. The engine is all done and we are waiting for the new kevlar clutch to arrive the end of this week. I hope it runs as good as it looks!

Jake

HighPlainsDrifter 07-30-2008 09:22 AM

Details !
 
Hey Jake,
We need details of the new monster.
What compression?
What cam specs?
Did you put a throttle stop on it so we all can keep up??????? HAHA.
Perry

Jake 07-31-2008 12:44 PM

Perry,
As for the engine specs.....it is a 500" stroker with a Skat crank, H-Beam rods, KB forged aluminum pistons, secret cam grind (very aggresive), custom 900 carb., rebuilt heads with port and polish and flow benched. Everything was balanced. I hope this will work. I should be installing it Aug. 11th. I also powder coated the intake and valve covers to get away from the dirty cast look I was sporting before.

Jake

HighPlainsDrifter 07-31-2008 03:00 PM

Mucho HP
 
Jake,
Sounds great, by my modest calculations you'll be north of 600 HP.
Perry.

1blackbb66 08-09-2008 01:31 AM

Jake,

Whats the latest? Get her put back together yet?

Ray


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