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hurricaneharold 11-30-2013 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Nedsel (Post 1274255)
I assume everyone is aware that numerous sites, including Facebook, have in their user agreements that anything posted becomes "public" to the extent that the poster gives up the right to exclusivity, and that the host site assumes ownership of the images and can do whatever they want with them. I would think this infringes on anyone's ability to claim rights to the images they have posted, but it does leave a grey area as to whether users of any given site can also "borrow" the same images and photos with impunity. What do the legal minds here say about this conundrum?
Ned, if you look into the laws on copyright, then the owners permission needs to be obtained before posting photos, I have photos on Facebook with a copyright notice on them plus a watermark on the photos, plus posted small sizes, so they are not worth stealing, You have hit the nail on the head in what you have written above.

hurricaneharold 11-30-2013 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by hurricaneharold (Post 1274257)
Dave I see you are from Stoke On Trent , let me know what your car looks like if you are at any shows in the UK, and I will make sure I don`t take any photos of your cars .



No I am not the paparazzi, and I don't take photos for financial gain to promote my commercial business. Also when I take photos, I have offered to send the owners of many cars photos for free of there cars.
Dave, here is another thought, if you ever take your cars to show etc , you could put a sign on the windscreen saying No Photos Allowed , now when you have got something sensible to say get back to me.

db replicas 11-30-2013 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by hurricaneharold (Post 1274257)
Dave I see you are from Stoke On Trent , let me know what your car looks like if you are at any shows in the UK, and I will make sure I don`t take any photos of your cars .



No I am not the paparazzi, and I don't take photos for financial gain to promote my commercial business. Also when I take photos, I have offered to send the owners of many cars photos for free of there cars.

Harold.
I am not saying that you personally don't "Do the right thing".
All I am saying is that without the subject matter the picture would be of no interest to anyone, yet photographers get rather excited about "Their property".

I'm "dave" from the UK Cobraclub. If you have been (With your camera) to any of the UK kit car shows in the last 20 years you probably already have taken photos of my cars ;)

hurricaneharold 11-30-2013 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by db replicas (Post 1274260)
Harold.
I am not saying that you personally don't "Do the right thing".
All I am saying is that without the subject matter the picture would be of no interest to anyone, yet photographers get rather excited about "Their property".

I'm "dave" from the UK Cobraclub. If you have been (With your camera) to any of the UK kit car shows in the last 20 years you probably already have taken photos of my cars ;)
No , I don't go to Kit car shows, have no interest in photographing replica Cobras, I only photograph original Cobras, although I do visit the 289 Register stand at Silverstone, as they are a nice bunch of guys.

Met Jack Sears and John Whitmore last year, they have some great stories to tell . Also some nice replica Hawk Cobras there that look as they should .

Plenty of photos in this group I run on Flickr : Flickr: The AC Cobras Original Cars Only Pool

db replicas 11-30-2013 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by hurricaneharold (Post 1274259)
now when you have got something sensible to say get back to me.

Hmmm.
I get it now, It's your bat and your ball and I can't play! :CRY:


The Flicker pics are good though ;)

hurricaneharold 11-30-2013 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by db replicas (Post 1274266)
Hmmm.
I get it now, It's your bat and your ball and I can't play! :CRY:


The Flicker pics are good though ;)
You carry on Dave, I have no interest in photographing your car, its not a case of "my bat & ball and you cant play " although with childish comments like that, maybe you should put a bat and ball on your Christmas list.:LOL:

Subject now closed from me, I have read enough of your childish comments.

db replicas 11-30-2013 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by hurricaneharold (Post 1274268)
You carry on Dave, I have no interest in photographing your car, its not a case of "my bat & ball and you cant play " although with childish comments like that, maybe you should put a bat and ball on your Christmas list.:LOL:

Subject now closed from me, I have read enough of your childish comments.

Childish started with your "My dad (Credibility) is bigger than yours" post #24
My grandmother used to have some great stories too, but has nothing to do with this thread. Your personal opinion about which is your favourite replica and which owners club stand you prefer to frequent also has nothing to do with the "Copyright" talk in this thread.

What if someone was to take a snapshot of their computer screen while your photo was being displayed, would they have copyright over that seeing as they took the photo?

Yes, it is underhand to Leech photos, it would be nice if recognition was given to where it came from at least. But it doesn't always work out that way, it's not a perfect world. If it bothers you that much then don't post them on the internet, it's simple really.

We have both had photos leeched, I take it as a compliment and find it mildly amusing. In one case I sent the Leech a full res original of the picture.

I feel I have a valid point, and until I am persuaded otherwise or a moderator blocks me then my opinion stands. I am willing to be educated.

LMH 11-30-2013 05:46 PM
If one enters a car in a car show open to the public, I would think the owner has no expectation of privacy for images of his vehicle. That would include anyone who wanted to take photographs of it so long as camera's were permitted in the show by the organizers. The images photographed by a photographer would become his to do with as he pleases, including making them public domain by posting them on the internet. If you don't want your car photographed, don't enter it in a car show.
However, I'm not an attorney and my opinion may not be legally correct. Interesting point of discussion. I'll have to ask a friend who is an attorney and see what he says.
Larry

mickmate 11-30-2013 06:07 PM
So I believe that quite a few pictures on your album were not taken by the person you're crediting with them, I don't know where that puts you. The other thing is Flicker and many others that claim you shouldn't copy their pictures, easily let you copy them in a different size. Then there's cheap and easy picture copying programs available, that is if you're too lazy to use Ctrl Alt Printscreen buttons. Bottom line is if the pictures are out there I think they're fair game. I think with Cobras the guys that don't mind them being photographed bring them out for us to see and share them. Some of them are really accommodating and want to talk Cobras and show them off. Others keep them under wraps, I'd love to see them all but hey they are theirs and that's up to them. There are quite a few in the registry without pictures or current owners showing. That has a lot to do with exactly what is going on here and now on the internet.
Anyway Ron and I will do our best to get a few more pictures on CSXinfo.

Nedsel 11-30-2013 09:48 PM
Nick, just a note of thanks for what you and Ron provide via csxinfo. It's great!:)

computerworks 11-30-2013 10:43 PM
Please guys... don't get pissy with each other over this topic.

Thanks.

mickmate 12-01-2013 08:08 AM
Hey Ned from you that means a lot, sincere thank you for what you do.

hurricaneharold 12-02-2013 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mickmate (Post 1274288)
So I believe that quite a few pictures on your album were not taken by the person you're crediting with them, I don't know where that puts you. The other thing is Flicker and many others that claim you shouldn't copy their pictures, easily let you copy them in a different size. Then there's cheap and easy picture copying programs available, that is if you're too lazy to use Ctrl Alt Printscreen buttons. Bottom line is if the pictures are out there I think they're fair game. I think with Cobras the guys that don't mind them being photographed bring them out for us to see and share them. Some of them are really accommodating and want to talk Cobras and show them off. Others keep them under wraps, I'd love to see them all but hey they are theirs and that's up to them. There are quite a few in the registry without pictures or current owners showing. That has a lot to do with exactly what is going on here and now on the internet.
Anyway Ron and I will do our best to get a few more pictures on CSXinfo.
That is a fair comment, I was sent the photos a long time ago ,not stolen off a website, I have now removed them.

DougD 12-07-2013 12:56 PM
You should have exactly zero expectations of privacy for ANYTHING you post on the internet. Once it's out there, there's not a darned thing you can do if you posted it to a public site. Nor should there be. If you want to retain ownership, then set up a site to sell the images. I always post very low resolution photos if it's something I don't want to be stolen and/or misused.

Think you're immune to the loss of privacy and rights on the 'net? Try googling your name. It might surprise you what's out there about you, without your permission, and there's really not a lot you can do to stop it.

hurricaneharold 12-31-2013 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DougD (Post 1275200)
You should have exactly zero expectations of privacy for ANYTHING you post on the internet. Once it's out there, there's not a darned thing you can do if you posted it to a public site. Nor should there be. If you want to retain ownership, then set up a site to sell the images. I always post very low resolution photos if it's something I don't want to be stolen and/or misused.

Think you're immune to the loss of privacy and rights on the 'net? Try googling your name. It might surprise you what's out there about you, without your permission, and there's really not a lot you can do to stop it.
Been there, done it and have had my photos removed from websites that have used my photos without my permission.

Bernica 12-31-2013 02:50 PM
What Mickmate said. If you put it up there, don't expect privacy. I have even had one of my pics sent back to me with someone else that I don't even know standing next to it! It is what it is.

mickmate 12-31-2013 09:05 PM
So you're claiming you don't know the hot European model standing next to your car, this isn't your wife you're talking to Michael ;-)

Bernica 01-01-2014 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mickmate (Post 1278054)
So you're claiming you don't know the hot European model standing next to your car, this isn't your wife you're talking to Michael ;-)
HA! No Nick, I was there for that one and she was no Photoshop! The real deal.:cool:

twobjshelbys 01-05-2014 07:57 PM
I am about to enter battle with a Shelby group that is using one of my photos. They made a poster of it and removed my copyright and credit from the photo, and as time passes continue to crop it more and more. Now that they are charging and have excluded all previous members (me included) I'm pretty POd. I'm going to enforce my copyright on the photo - either they compensate me or they stop using it.


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