CSX3060 "completion" Cobra for sale in Japan

[What'saCobra?]

CompWks
Would you please re-state the differences between "completition" and "completion" for me, please? i am confused about it.

What was/were the difference(s) between Shelby's 3056, 3057, 3058 and those starting with 3059 and up? Were you involved in the project? i would love to know more about it.

At the time, i was "working with" Brian Angliss on a handful of cars, including Lightweights, 427 S/C's, a few 289's and a coupe (which was never done). i was there during the rather heated arguments with CS and the various suits, but only know the bit and pieces of the CS side of things with Mike.

Thanks,
Victor

[computerworks]

Would you please re-state the differences between "completition" and "completion"

huh? Completion are these cars, Continuation are the present production cars.


Multipage write up on the Completion cars in the SAAC Registry...reference that, too much too retype.

No difference in the cars you mentioned. They only made less than 10; many went to Japan.

(my earlier post was not 'original'... I just ran the Japanese text thru a translator)

[Buzz]

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Hey Rick Lake, you're a smart dude, please tell us what this says.

Originally Posted by computerworks

(my earlier post was not 'original'... I just ran the Japanese text thru a translator)

Yes and thanks, but I was really looking forward to Rick Lake's version.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Yes and thanks, but I was really looking forward to Rick Lake's version.

Rick would essentially say the same thing. But, he would put it in all caps, use a dash of creative spelling, sprinkle in a few homonyms that, while being blatantly wrong still evidenced his obvious knowledge of the subject, and then cap it off with a healthy dose of friendly emoticons at the end just because, deep down, he's a pretty nice guy.

[ray humbel]

i think the finished completion cobras are CSX3056, CSX3057, CSX3058, CSX3059, CSX3060, CSX3061, CSX3062, CSX3065, & CSX3071. these are the "FOUND" chassis cobras.

[What'saCobra?]

If we intend to document ALL the "completion" cars, somewhat political decisions need to be made first. Realizing my views may not coincide with the SAAC view of things, let me continue...

Arguably, there are THREE sources of cars that could be called Cobras:

1. The very contentious and CA illegal cars that Mr. Shelby tried to fob-off as "original" chassis numbers from AC Cars limited, serialized as CSX's, which were really created from new stock by McCluskey during the early ninties and sold mostly into Japan. These are well documented in the SAAC Registry, complete with limited histories.

2. The actual and very few (four) CSX 30XX SC cars fabricated in the early to mid nineties by AC Cars Limited, whilst owned by Brian Angliss, which i have documented here previously. These four cars are documented by various AC Clubs in GB and Club Cobra individuals that know both the current owners and their histories.

3. The rather obscure and not well documented series created by AC Cars Group Limited in the late nineties, under the ownership of Alan Lubinsky as Director, after "his" purchase of the original AC Cars Limited (GB) assets, including the logo and AC Cars name. This group of cars, quantity unknown for sure by me, include some that have had serial number changes to satisfy various import/registration requirements and preferences. i would recommend caution presuming that these cars, including some that may have been completed under the much later company AC Cars Limited (Malta), are legitimately actual Cobras, since the moniker was removed from AC Cars Group by FORD when AC Cars Limited (GB) was de-registered in the UK's Company House. They may very well be legitimately AC's, from the later company(s), but not Cobras.

Admittedly, some of this is arguable depending on whose oxen are being AlGored. But, i have tried to be as fair and objective as i can muster; though i do have an interest in the subject beyond mere curiosity. (Check my photos above) Personally, i will restate that i think anything that looks like a Cobra, is a Cobra in some real sense, but realize many will disagree with me. That does not mean i really think they are "real", but essentially real.

Many many of the knock-offs have been and still are much better than the originals in many ways, though they may not command "real" market values; nor should they.

For particular interest, i think that no Kirkham-built car is less well-built than the very best from any AC works, new or old. In many real and practical ways, particularly regarding contemporary improvements, precision fit, finish and driveability, the current cars are very much better than the originals. Today, they are clearly near-perfect and fully worth their prices either new or used, as time will confirm. They are simply breath-taking when seen in the metal. Did i mention that they are also very light???

But, i am still of the view, held by Peter Brock, that without all the wonderful and even the less-than-perfect plastic clones built during many of Shelby's empty and disinterested years and AC's very sparse productions, the clones kept the Cobra faith and spares market alive. We and Mr. Shelby owe them our gratitude.

So, to the point, be cautious about presuming the Lubinsky cars are "real" Cobras. But, they may be found very close in some fabrications.

Further observe that there is a certain duplication of CSX cars between the Shelby/McCluskey line and the Angliss series from AC Cars Limited (UK). These include at least CSX 3056, 3057 and 3058. i am less certain about 3071, since i do not know if Shelby actually made one, but if so, it duplicated the AC Cars Limited (GB) chassis.

Just one chap's opinion, mind you.