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rodneym 06-29-2019 08:47 AM
You bought a good car.

The support on the other hand, from Shelby, is non existent. And the dealers, l little better.....

You're a do-it-yourself-er, so you'll do great.

patrickt 06-29-2019 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by rodneym (Post 1463844)
You bought a good car.

The support on the other hand, from Shelby, is non existent. And the dealers, l little better.....

You're a do-it-yourself-er, so you'll do great.
Should he seek, at any cost, an assembly/build/service manual crafted from the manufacturer, does one even exist, anywhere? I know when I ragged on this topic about a decade ago (along with the fact that KMS had no manual either) that there were rumors that one did indeed exist, but that recipients were prohibited from providing it to anyone, discussing it, or even acknowledging its existence.%/

twobjshelbys 06-29-2019 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1463845)
Should he seek, at any cost, an assembly/build/service manual crafted from the manufacturer, does one even exist, anywhere? I know when I ragged on this topic about a decade ago (along with the fact that KMS had no manual either) that there were rumors that one did indeed exist, but that recipients were prohibited from providing it to anyone, discussing it, or even acknowledging its existence.%/
Does not exist

Someone here sells a wiring diagram.

ERA 626 06-29-2019 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1463845)
Should he seek, at any cost, an assembly/build/service manual crafted from the manufacturer, does one even exist, anywhere? I know when I ragged on this topic about a decade ago (along with the fact that KMS had no manual either) that there were rumors that one did indeed exist, but that recipients were prohibited from providing it to anyone, discussing it, or even acknowledging its existence.%/
your right... ERA has excellent customer support, I may end up getting some parts from them.

There is zero documentation with the car, I have no Idea what the fuses do or the relays, But I am an electrician by trade Ill figure it out.

To be honest I was pleasantly surprised on the quality of my CSX car. I wont try to compare it to other manufactures but let me say this, The doors seem more sturdy, the hood/trunk open and close better, the seats are more comfortable, the steering shaft has zero play in it.

That being said I have not driven this car, a few years ago I drove a friends (HST) CSX car and It seemed loose, meaning that when I went over some bumps the car rattled. The ERA car is exact opposite, it is a tight car and handles perfectly.

patrickt 06-29-2019 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ERA 626 (Post 1463848)
There is zero documentation with the car, I have no Idea what the fuses do or the relays, But I am an electrician by trade Ill figure it out.
I harped on it for years, and finally quit. But I'll bi*tch about it one more time for posterity.:rolleyes: If you drop six figures on a "beautifully crafted" CSX, KMS, or SPF then, dammit, the manufacturer ought to provide you with a detailed service manual that wasn't written by someone with only a third grade education, or for whom English is a "work in progress." There is absolutely no excuse for not providing one. Regardless of the manufacturer, somebody had to have built that roller and that somebody knows all the parts, and their numbers, the specifications, and their recommended replacement techniques. The least they could do is memorialize it and provide it to the buyer.

Mark IV 06-30-2019 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1463853)
I harped on it for years, and finally quit. But I'll bi*tch about it one more time for posterity.:rolleyes: If you drop six figures on a "beautifully crafted" CSX, KMS, or SPF then, dammit, the manufacturer ought to provide you with a detailed service manual that wasn't written by someone with only a third grade education, or for whom English is a "work in progress." There is absolutely no excuse for not providing one. Regardless of the manufacturer, somebody had to have built that roller and that somebody knows all the parts, and their numbers, the specifications, and their recommended replacement techniques. The least they could do is memorialize it and provide it to the buyer.
I can't speak for CSX or KMP cars but we do have a manual, both owners and install for SPF cars. It is up to the dealer to "pay up" to the third party supplier for the owners manuals as the distributor does not supply them. The 289 and 427 owners manuals come from different sources but both are well done and cover the operation as well as much install info. There is also a 427 SPF install manual that is close to 20 years old but still very relevant.

There are also very well done wiring diagrams that are specific to the chassis number and reflect any changes that have taken place over the evolution of the SPF Hi-Tech manufactured chassis'.

We can supply either. If you have an SPF and desire the owners manual let us know the chassis number and we can put you in touch with the supplier. The 427 install manual is a PDF with 14 chapters and a REALLY BIG file but we can email in several emails. info(AT)timemachinesauto.com

patrickt 06-30-2019 07:20 AM
As it should be. And I'll write it once more and then drop it, other high-end manufacturers are doing a serious disservice to their customers by not putting together a detailed service manual. :cool:

ERA 626 06-30-2019 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1463862)
As it should be. And I'll write it once more and then drop it, other high-end manufacturers are doing a serious disservice to their customers by not putting together a detailed service manual. :cool:
agreed.

twobjshelbys 06-30-2019 10:22 AM
Feh. When was the last time you read the manual on a TV?

If you need a manual for a Cobra you should buy a Subaru. There is no rocket science and everything is right out there in front of God and Everybody. :)

The electricals would have been nice though. Tracing things down with probes was a PITA.

patrickt 06-30-2019 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by twobjshelbys (Post 1463871)

If you need a manual for a Cobra you should buy a Subaru. There is no rocket science and everything is right out there in front of God and Everybody. :)
Bullshi*. That's just a poor half-ass excuse for not tackling a job that is actually quite hard to do right (writing a quality service manual). The truth is, nobody wants to do it. Remember KMS got "partially" through theirs before abandoning the project. The current ERA maintenance/assembly manual is 183 pages long, and there is meat on every page.

desgros@vtlink. 06-30-2019 11:30 AM
Just one more reason noted above to own an ERA.



John
ERA #3010 Slabside 289 BRG

cycleguy55 06-30-2019 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark IV (Post 1463859)
I can't speak for CSX or KMP cars but we do have a manual, both owners and install for SPF cars. It is up to the dealer to "pay up" to the third party supplier for the owners manuals as the distributor does not supply them. The 289 and 427 owners manuals come from different sources but both are well done and cover the operation as well as much install info. There is also a 427 SPF install manual that is close to 20 years old but still very relevant.

There are also very well done wiring diagrams that are specific to the chassis number and reflect any changes that have taken place over the evolution of the SPF Hi-Tech manufactured chassis'.

We can supply either. If you have an SPF and desire the owners manual let us know the chassis number and we can put you in touch with the supplier. The 427 install manual is a PDF with 14 chapters and a REALLY BIG file but we can email in several emails. info(AT)timemachinesauto.com
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Mark IV 06-30-2019 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by cycleguy55 (Post 1463879)
Consider using something like Firefox Send for large files. You can share files with encryption and a link that automatically expires. You upload the file and the recipient gets a link to download the file. The file disappears from cloud storage after it's been downloaded. There are various options you can set. If you register for a free account you can send files up to 2.5GB.

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Yeah but that requires me to understand some computer stuff and I have enough trouble with car stuff!

1795 06-30-2019 03:12 PM
You can't teach an old dog new tricks, and Rick is a pretty old dog :rolleyes:

mrmustang 06-30-2019 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark IV (Post 1463881)
Yeah but that requires me to understand some computer stuff and I have enough trouble with car stuff!
Will this help ;)

http://www.carolineludovici.com/uplo...183310.jpg?405

CompClassics 06-30-2019 11:19 PM
After having as many issues as there was with a CSX6XXX Continuation Cobra that we completed for a client I can assure you.....

1) There is no assembly manual.

2) There is no electrical schematics, could have used one after the main wiring harness chaffed on a frame bracket and blew the fuel pump fuses.

3) There are no alignment specifications provided.

4) There is no product support whatsoever.

5) There is no knowledge by the installer of the components needed to complete the car to "roller" status in the understanding of hardware (nuts and bolts)or the use of.

7) THERE IS NO FACTORY WARRANTY ON WORKMANSHIP OR IMPROPERLY INSTALLED COMPONENTS BY THE FACTORY THAT LEAD TO DAMAGE OF SAID COMPONENTS.

8) There is no information provided by the manufacturer for known defects or workmanship.

9) Even though Shelby American's name is on the product they will do nothing to correct a licensees inept workmanship or defects.

Allan A 07-01-2019 10:04 AM
Mike,

I have a 427 wiring diag and the alignment set up.

csx7034 at gmail dot com

cycleguy55 07-01-2019 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 1795 (Post 1463883)
You can't teach an old dog new tricks, and Rick is a pretty old dog :rolleyes:
Better a pretty old dog than an ugly old dog. :LOL::LOL::LOL:

patrickt 07-01-2019 11:20 AM
ERA 626 -- Mike, if I were you I would call up CompClassics on the phone, spend about an hour with him, then send him a big "thank you" gift basket (you know, a really good one that has cashews, macadamias, cheeses, meats, wine, etc.) and listen to all the trap doors that he can tell you about. His thread about the differential pumping itself dry is a nightmare waiting to happen. There's probably another dozen gotchas that he can help you avoid as well.

Kit Coyle 07-01-2019 12:09 PM
All of the problems that CompClassics cites regarding the new CSX cars
do not exist with the ERA Cobras. I am the second owner of an ERA FIA
that is 13 years old and the customer service help provided over the phone
recently by Bob Putnam was fabulous. Three days in a row he willingly
helped me troubleshoot an electrical problem that I could not figure out.
The manual and electrical diagrams are OEM quality but Bob helped me
with a basic step by step tutorial for the specific problem. He even sent me
a propriety connector free. I broke it and he sent me another...also free.
I might also add that the ERA Cobras are one of the only replicas out there
the actually look and drive like the real 1960's cars. 5 Stars !


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