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Old 01-22-2012, 08:58 PM
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Chapter 2

My son and I finally had schedules that allowed us to begin to tackle this problem. Yesterday we pulled the pan and found small cylindrical bits of magnetic metal. It appeared to be a pieces that would form a circle with an OD of .250" and an ID somewhat smaller. I sent photos and bounced this off of Brent Lykins (thank you for taking my Saturday afternoon call). After some deep thinking and thought I believe the bits to be the collar that locks the axle on a Hydralic Roller lifter for a 302 Ford. There were bits in the pan and a piece in the locked pump. The screen on the OEM pump did not appear to be compromised so I muust assume the suction of the oil aginst the Metal "parted the screen" enough to allow it to pass. I looked at the screen with a magnifying glass and saw no damaged areas. The next operation will be to pull the Top End and inspect the lifters and their respective bores.

BTW...Milodon RR pan and Windage tray installed.
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:55 AM
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Rick,

Accusump, dry sump and/or a proven road race pan (NOT Canton!).

I've watched my oil pressure gauge go to zero during a curve more than once and had to back out until it came back up.

My Canton "road race" pan was taken off several times to check the baffle door operation, pickup position and clearance. I finally concluded the pan was not at all effective.

I installed an Accusump (guess who makes it?) and the zero oil pressure symptoms went away.

Picture this: high G-load, high rpms pushing more than the usual amount of oil into the valve covers for a time and massive churning of the oil in the pan by the crankshaft in the vicinity of the oil pump pickup. Scary? Yep!

BTW, the crankshaft does tend to also push the oil toward one side of the pan and as far up the block on one side as it can. Crank scrapers are intended to help minimize this, but usually aren't sufficient by themselves.

I've seen small-blocks, big-blocks and mod motors trashed during track days. Most of the time it has been due to oil pressure loss.

Once you realize what's going on inside the oil pan during high rpm, high-G use, you'll wonder how the things survive at all! Kind of a testament to modern oil technology.

Jon Kaase has even had engines lose oil pressure on the dyno due to loss of oil pickup - it's a complex and frustrating technical challenge to fix. No easy way has been found.

So get the oil system some help and you won't regret it. A dry sump setup if your budget will allow; even that is less expensive than new engines..

Hope this helps,

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Old 01-23-2012, 07:45 AM
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Tell us a bit more about the g-forces and tires who allowed for such?
You didn't run on sliks, didn't you? But I believe there is some sticky rubber out there.

Is Thunderhill a banked race track? You do know that you have a little as 1 quart of oil in the pan at high revs?

Even though you pump seems to have seized by the tappet piece you may look at TWO culprits. Starved pump first.
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