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10-06-2006, 04:01 PM
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TonyBischoff wins Engine Masters with World Block!
Tony Bischoff, owner of Bischoff Engine Service (BES) of West Harrison, Indiana won the prestegious Engine Masters Challenge today, hosted by World Products / Bill Mitchell Hardcore Racing in Ronkonkoma, NY.
The Jegs / Popular Hot Rodding event was a thriller down to the wire as Tony's entry nipped two-time winner Jon Kaase's amazing Pontiac by less than one point! Tony placed 2nd last year and 3rd the prior.
We're pleased to tell you that Tony's combination used a standard World Man O'War iron 9.5 deck block and the amazing CHI heads. It made over 700 HP peak at 434 CI. Of the six finalists this Friday, 5 were Windsor / Cleveland combinations and one was Kaase's Pontiac. Four of the five SBF's used World Products blocks.
All of the winners' details will be posted on our World site next week but the results can be found by clicking the World link now.
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10-06-2006, 04:34 PM
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Hmmm, so a sb Ford beat out all the other engines??? Amazing 
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10-06-2006, 05:02 PM
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Roger,
I think I'd qualify that the SBF beat out all the other "little" engines, not ALL other engines. This challenge does not allow "big" engines.
It is certainly a sign of the times when the Ford head development has progressed to such a point! I remember when the SBF was almost unusable for most folks due to the lack of valve lash adjustment capability and poor head design in general. Good thing the aftermarket folks have fixed the OEM design downfalls. Sort of levelled the playing field.
It'd be more interesting in my mind to have the ci limit set at 650ci or something like that. But of course that's just my opinion.
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10.69 @ 129.83mph - on pump gas and street tires
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10-06-2006, 05:26 PM
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These are Big Blocks in Disguise! A 434" Windsor is not a "Small Block".
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Last edited by Rick Parker; 10-07-2006 at 12:49 PM..
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10-06-2006, 05:37 PM
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Rick,
These days mid 400 ci is better off left to the Small Blocks with smaller and lighter and less drag producing internals. A Big Block in the 400 ci category is going to suffer excessive parasitic losses.
I wouldn't build a big block less than 540ci.
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10.69 @ 129.83mph - on pump gas and street tires
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10-06-2006, 09:12 PM
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That is impressive, 4 of the 5 top finishers were FORD? Well I'll be!
I've always had a soft spot for Pontiac, so thats great news too. So where are those Vette ZO6 motors we keep hearing about... 
Thats a valid point Itbites, what determines a big block is not CID but more about size\weight of crankshaft, and other components, etc. |
10-07-2006, 12:48 PM
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It Bites:
I agree totally. Lots of "Pumping Losses" and wasted effort moving "Heavy Metal".
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10-07-2006, 04:42 PM
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Actually, five of the top six were Fords with CHI heads and manifolds on most.
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10-07-2006, 08:57 PM
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Gen III.....
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I've always had a soft spot for Pontiac, so thats great news too. So where are those Vette ZO6 motors we keep hearing about... |
Gen III engines were not elgible, neither were mod motors or the new hemis.
The rules state that the block has to support installation of a distributor and
these newer engines such as the Gen III do not provide for distributors. The
rules also exclude belt driven distributors. So no provision for a drop-in
distributor and that block is not elgible.
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10-07-2006, 09:51 PM
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OH! Well now, thats an interesting rule! Keeping it 'old school', I like that.
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10-07-2006, 10:51 PM
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Find the "Rules" section, it has some interesting restrictions.
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As you slide down the Banister of Life, may the splinters never be pointing the wrong way
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10-07-2006, 11:47 PM
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Engine masters rules.....
Rules for the 2006 competition can be found here:
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/eng.../0601em_rules/
I think the main point is keeping out "one off" or exotic stuff. Have the
competitors build engines with parts that are readily available to the general
public and create engines that anyone else can duplicate without a great
deal of effort.
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10-10-2006, 04:19 PM
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Click on the World site and see the newly posted photos and comments from the contestants.
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10-10-2006, 05:15 PM
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I like Jon Kaase's comments.
The 2nd place Jon Kaase was asked, "Will you return next year?" He replied, "I said last year that if I won this year I would not return... Did I win?"
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