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AMF 04-01-2008 08:06 AM

For those that think you have to have a big block to make big power
 
I was riding my jet ski this weekend and it occurred to me....

My lil' ol' Seadoo has 1.5L (about 91 cubes) and makes 250 horsepower.

Not bad....for an engine with less displacement than a 2liter of soda.

It's not an apples/oranges comparison......

The PWC engines are water cooled and intercooled (so they can run more compression and more boost) and it revs to 8200 rpms....but still.

bret a ewing 04-01-2008 10:13 AM

1972 porsche 917-30. 5.4L, 1500hp @ 39psi.

1ntCobra 04-01-2008 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AMF (Post 830330)
I was riding my jet ski this weekend and it occurred to me....

My lil' ol' Seadoo has 1.5L (about 91 cubes) and makes 250 horsepower.

Not bad....for an engine with less displacement than a 2liter of soda.

It's not an apples/oranges comparison......

The PWC engines are water cooled and intercooled (so they can run more compression and more boost) and it revs to 8200 rpms....but still.

My lil' ol' RX-7 has 1.3L and makes 255 horsepower. And I don't need no stinking pistons, valves or cams. :JEKYLHYDE

CobraEd 04-01-2008 10:43 AM

Top fuel dragster, . . . . 500 CI, . . . . 8,000 horsepower!


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Blue66 04-01-2008 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 1ntCobra (Post 830402)
My lil' ol' RX-7 has 1.3L and makes 255 horsepower. And I don't need no stinking pistons, valves or cams. :JEKYLHYDE

my beater RX7 does have pistons, valves and a cam .. makes a little over 720 HP :eek::D

bret a ewing 04-01-2008 12:17 PM

Mmmmmmmmm...

RedBarchetta 04-01-2008 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CobraEd (Post 830404)
Top fuel dragster, . . . . 500 CI, . . . . 8,000 horsepower!

Shelf life = one burnout, 60 seconds of idling and one 5 second pass. :LOL:

CHANMADD 04-01-2008 02:13 PM

My RX7 makes about 400hp with 1.3litres!!

Cosworth_Ken 04-01-2008 05:04 PM

:cool:
Ford Cosworth XF Champ Car engine
2.65 litre
32 valve 4 cam V-8 engine
Just under 5 PSI of boost
16,800 RPM
933 HP best one I saw on the dyno....
500 ish mile life span
1.85 MPG (Methonal)
Weight = 262 Lbs complete
Cost = About $175,000.00

SPF2245 04-01-2008 05:58 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_QyUD6V5_I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_QyUD6V5_I

Nothing like trumping your Champ Car with a little F1 power, the first time I was at the US GP...I thought my ears were going to bleed. I'm still in aw with 19000+ RPM shifts.

Cosworth_Ken 04-01-2008 06:56 PM

:D

Our Cosworth F-1 Engine qualified at 21,000 RPM in 2006 in the Williams car.
I believe it was the highest revving four stroke engine ever in F-1.
An F-1 engine does utilize pnuematic valve springs though...
Since I know the HP numbers from both the V-10's and V-8's in F-1
I can say the Champ Car engine made more power!
The F-1's did however; make upwords of 1,500 HP in the late 80's with their Turbo engines. They wouldn't last much longer than a qualifiying session though....
Also forgot to add the the $ comment....
Add a zero to the Champ Car engine cost above and you'll have F-1 costs.

Blue66 04-01-2008 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bret a ewing (Post 830440)
Mmmmmmmmm...

Don't know if that was to me :confused: If it was it's a V6 Buick 231 with a turbo running pump gas and methonal . Had the motor in my daughters "driver/beater" Buick GN that weighs 3660#s. She ran 9.94 @138 in street trim :JEKYLHYDE :D
A lot of these new small motors out there today can crank out some power !! :MECOOL: I was thinking of using the motor in a Cobra BUT I don't think it would go over well ;)

tool time George 04-01-2008 10:41 PM

Blue66
I call bull on your daughters GN.
I had one, and stock, they ran 13.90 in the 1/4.
porsches and lambos don't run sub 10's out of the box.
Check your stats again bud.

MT nester 04-02-2008 12:18 AM

Curtt Scott runs cobracountry.com he sells a DVD called "bitten by the snake" It is getting kind of old but it is still a great Cobra DVD. They talk to several cobra owners with "alternative power plants" A Dodge V10 and a Buick GN V6.

Blue66 04-02-2008 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tool time George (Post 830618)
Blue66
I call bull on your daughters GN.
I had one, and stock, they ran 13.90 in the 1/4.
porsches and lambos don't run sub 10's out of the box.
Check your stats again bud.

hmmmmm.. Did I say anywhere that it's stock ??? Oh by the way I have prob had 50 or so T's , GN's and 4 TTA's . Parted out a LOT of them to. Ahhhh the net :D Oh check your PM's :cool:

bret a ewing 04-02-2008 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue66 (Post 830571)
Don't know if that was to me :confused: If it was it's a V6 Buick 231 with a turbo running pump gas and methonal . Had the motor in my daughters "driver/beater" Buick GN that weighs 3660#s. She ran 9.94 @138 in street trim :JEKYLHYDE :D
A lot of these new small motors out there today can crank out some power !! :MECOOL: I was thinking of using the motor in a Cobra BUT I don't think it would go over well ;)



As in: Mazda goes Mmmmmmmmmm.:)

bret a ewing 04-02-2008 07:47 AM

For those that remember that was the ad jingle before zoom........

RedBarchetta 04-02-2008 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue66 (Post 830571)
Don't know if that was to me :confused: If it was it's a V6 Buick 231 with a turbo running pump gas and methonal . Had the motor in my daughters "driver/beater" Buick GN that weighs 3660#s. She ran 9.94 @138 in street trim :JEKYLHYDE :D

I can see that happening. Look up Ken Duttweiler, people. He built and raced some nasty GS/GN/GSN cars.

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/e...ock/index.html

Blue66 04-02-2008 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBarchetta (Post 830708)
I can see that happening. Look up Ken Duttweiler, people. He built and raced some nasty GS/GN/GSN cars.

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/e...ock/index.html

Yes he does !!! I have known him since 1986! Dammm I am really getting old . Still a few of his out there in the 7's !! Unbelievable BUT with technology thats out there today they even have 4 banger's flying !!

AMF 04-02-2008 11:21 AM

There's no doubt there are some low usage/race applications with wicked hp/volume ratios.

I was speaking more along the lines of viable "everyday" or high usage applications.

My jet ski is supposed to last for a few hundred hours of operation.

As for some of the other stuff, it's truly amazing just how much technology has advanced and just what some people can do with small engines.

As a side note, the GN is one of the top 10 "tuner" cars of all time. It ranks up there with the 03 Mustang SVT Cobra and the SRT-4. All are cars you can drive off the lot, and with a small amount of cash and some minor modifications, you can surprise any number of folks with fully built street cars.


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