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mikeylikesit 05-08-2015 08:51 AM
Bill

Will be a great build. Congrats!
I don't see any upgrade on the ball joints.....just switched mine to Cobra Valley joints from Randall and wow, what a great low cost upgrade...with new boots on and these joints, I can now handle the 550HP nicely from the Roush, and handling is a major improvement....I am sure you are aware of what the standard BJ are that come with the SPF....Highly recommend you switch them out

Mike
SPO 2169

Morris 05-08-2015 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Detroit Bill (Post 1347692)
What would you suggest? Kirkham does the same thing.
Bill

I've seen a couple of cars catch on fire as a results of the plastic air hose under the fender. Almost burnt the complete car.

And the cars that caught fire were street cars, not race cars.....

High temperature silicone hose is the answer, and the double wall with wound wire. Won't catch fire...

Morris

Detroit Bill 05-08-2015 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Morris (Post 1347767)
Bill

I've seen a couple of cars catch on fire as a results of the plastic air hose under the fender. Almost burnt the complete car.

And the cars that caught fire were street cars, not race cars.....

High temperature silicone hose is the answer, and the double wall with wound wire. Won't catch fire...

Morris
Do you have a source for that?

Mark IV 05-08-2015 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Morris (Post 1347767)
Bill

I've seen a couple of cars catch on fire as a results of the plastic air hose under the fender. Almost burnt the complete car.

And the cars that caught fire were street cars, not race cars.....

High temperature silicone hose is the answer, and the double wall with wound wire. Won't catch fire...

Morris
Pray tell what caused them to "catch fire"??? They are air ducts and not near any high heat sources. 3000 Superformances have had this and I am unaware of any fires involving the hose where the hose was the source of a fire.

RodKnock 05-08-2015 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Detroit Bill (Post 1347692)
What would you suggest? Kirkham does the same thing.
Kirkham does offer fresh air ventilation for the driver and passenger side footboxes, but the hose(s) are short(er) and don't meander like the one pictured.

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Originally Posted by Mark IV (Post 1347773)
Pray tell what caused them to "catch fire"??? They are air ducts and not near any high heat sources. 3000 Superformances have had this and I am unaware of any fires involving the hose where the hose was the source of a fire.
Well, on the other side of the wall there's an engine with headers. I'd make sure the hose is of the high temp resistance type.

RodKnock 05-08-2015 11:20 AM
See Post #7 from this 2009 thread:

http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/shel...es-queery.html

Mark IV 05-08-2015 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1347774)
Kirkham does offer fresh air ventilation for the driver and passenger side footboxes, but the hose(s) are short(er) and don't meander like the one pictured.



Well, on the other side of the wall there's an engine with headers. I'd make sure the hose is of the high temp resistance type.
I think the fiberglass inner fender would melt/catch fire before the hose mounted on the OUTSIDE of the engine compartment.

I would still like to know what cars had fires................

RodKnock 05-08-2015 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark IV (Post 1347778)
I think the fiberglass inner fender would melt/catch fire before the hose mounted on the OUTSIDE of the engine compartment.

I would still like to know what cars had fires................
I'd still like to know what Tom Brady said in his personal text messages about Deflategate, since he wouldn't provide them for the Wells Report. :LOL:

Well, the guys at Hall Fabrication & Racing in Benicia, CA thought it would be a good idea to use high temp hose. And they've been working on Cobras (original and replica) for quite a few years.

I would call it precautionary, you know, like just in case you need two tall(er) rollbars. It's all personal choice.

rodneym 05-08-2015 05:13 PM
I melted the driver side vent hose on my Kirkham.
One day I look under the hood and I see a spiral skeleton.
The plastic melted toward the sprial and had about 1 ft of useless hose.
Never did smell anything. Maybe it happened during my infamous overheating/hose pop at a Shelby show. :confused:

Detroit Bill 05-09-2015 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by vatdevil (Post 1347702)
Couple suggestions. If you plan on track use, upgrade the brakes, springs, and shocks. Dennis offers several options. Factory setup isn't for track and autox. I've found car handles best for autoX with rear sway bar disconnected, hooks better and you can use more of that power.
Why does it handle better with the rear sway bars disconnected? Auto cross needs quicker shorter turns and letting it roll helps it turn quicker?

Morris 05-09-2015 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Detroit Bill (Post 1347771)
Do you have a source for that?
What are you talking about...... Are you saying I haven't seen cars on fire....

I can only walk the horse to water........

Morris 05-09-2015 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark IV (Post 1347778)
I think the fiberglass inner fender would melt/catch fire before the hose mounted on the OUTSIDE of the engine compartment.

I would still like to know what cars had fires................

The area between the inner fender panel and the foot box is the area that caught on fire. The hose melted from the heat and then dropped on the headers and started burning.

You guy's are welcome to do what you want with your vehicles, but when others try and help out with experience, you might want to listen to them as they have had that happen to them or they would not be telling you.

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/d...m/DSC09514.JPG


In this area the only concern from the heat is the 1200*degree brake rotors and these hoses work just fine. But when the hose goes thru the inner fender panel heat is an issue and cheap plastic dryer hose is just not acceptable.

Morris 05-09-2015 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark IV (Post 1347773)
Pray tell what caused them to "catch fire"??? They are air ducts and not near any high heat sources. 3000 Superformances have had this and I am unaware of any fires involving the hose where the hose was the source of a fire.
Then you don't have much experience with high heat situations and Cobra's....

The whole idea is to help the new kid keep from hurting himself and prevent any Damage to a vehicle before it has a chance to happen.

Many of these vehicles haven't been tested or gone over with a Technical Advisor to help and assist them in what to look for. I must say that SCCA and NASCAR have very through inspections and have experienced it all and will tell you what will work as well as teach you what to look for.... every crash and fire is reviewed to see what was the cause and affect of the incident.

Mark IV 05-09-2015 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Morris (Post 1347834)
Then you don't have much experience with high heat situations and Cobra's....

The whole idea is to help the new kid keep from hurting himself and prevent any Damage to a vehicle before it has a chance to happen.

Many of these vehicles haven't been tested or gone over with a Technical Advisor to help and assist them in what to look for. I must say that SCCA and NASCAR have very through inspections and have experienced it all and will tell you what will work as well as teach you what to look for.... every crash and fire is reviewed to see what was the cause and affect of the incident.
What I am saying is that I am unaware (and I have also talked to a Superformance veteran who has eons more experience than I and he has not seen a fire) and we have not seen a fire on the fresh air vent hose. And that includes some cars with serious track time on them. Now, a hose going to the brake rotor is a different kettle of fish.

Is it better to have a silicone hose that is heat resistant? Sure. Is it required? No. and the Kirkhams seem to agree as does Shelby American as they use a similar (in the case of Hi Tech built Shelby's, identical) hose and no one I am aware of has posted a fire issue.

Everyone is offering "upgrades" and "improvements" to Bill and some he may well want but unless you understand what he want to do with his car and what he is looking for it is just that, well intentioned advice and he is free to accept or reject as he sees fit.

RodKnock 05-11-2015 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark IV (Post 1347838)
What I am saying is that I am unaware (and I have also talked to a Superformance veteran who has eons more experience than I and he has not seen a fire) and we have not seen a fire on the fresh air vent hose. And that includes some cars with serious track time on them. Now, a hose going to the brake rotor is a different kettle of fish.

Is it better to have a silicone hose that is heat resistant? Sure. Is it required? No. and the Kirkhams seem to agree as does Shelby American as they use a similar (in the case of Hi Tech built Shelby's, identical) hose and no one I am aware of has posted a fire issue.

Everyone is offering "upgrades" and "improvements" to Bill and some he may well want but unless you understand what he want to do with his car and what he is looking for it is just that, well intentioned advice and he is free to accept or reject as he sees fit.
Obviously, Bill can do whatever he wants to do. Everyone has their own metric for safety. However, Morris has spent most of his time/life at the track. His advice is valued here. I'm not sure why you're crapping on his advice.

Most members here at CC have NOT. They're posers like me. :)

So, our experience, or lack thereof, is skewed towards non-racing applications. The people at Hall Fab & Racing (i.e., racers) made the same suggestion to me, replace the crappy hose. So, I ditched what Kirkham gave me back in 2007.

You said yourself. "Is it better to have a silicone hose that is heat resistant? Sure."

Some people think two roll bars make their Cobra safer, but then, forget an inertia switch for the fuel pump, to turn the pump off, when the car flips over. It's all a matter safety and tolerance. ;)

Mark IV 05-11-2015 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1348043)
Obviously, Bill can do whatever he wants to do. Everyone has their own metric for safety. However, Morris has spent most of his time/life at the track. His advice is valued here. I'm not sure why you're crapping on his advice.

Most members here at CC have NOT. They're posers like me. :)

So, our experience, or lack thereof, is skewed towards non-racing applications. The people at Hall Fab & Racing (i.e., racers) made the same suggestion to me, replace the crappy hose. So, I ditched what Kirkham gave me back in 2007.

You said yourself. "Is it better to have a silicone hose that is heat resistant? Sure."

Some people think two roll bars make their Cobra safer, but then, forget an inertia switch for the fuel pump, to turn the pump off, when the car flips over. It's all a matter safety and tolerance. ;)
Not crapping on you or Morris' advice. Just that I am not aware of any fires on an SPF with the plastic hose including a Mark III that ran the "One Lap of America" with the standard setup. Is silicone better? Sure but consider what the purchaser wants to do with his car. He will not be running long open track events and driving 10/10s. Autocrossing is unlikely to generate the heat levels needed to radiate enough heat to melt the hose. Obviously the photo is of a serious track beast judging by the rotor and the double cooling hoses.

The advice IS appreciated however some people work on the "I did it to my car so you MUST do it to yours" or "I bought the XYZ sway bar kit and now I can go around the I370 off-ramps at warp speed" without considering what the owner is looking for.

And no inertia switch required with a mechanical fuel pump however a check valve in the tank vent line is always a good idea to prevent hi-test baths.

RodKnock 05-11-2015 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark IV (Post 1348048)
Not crapping on you or Morris' advice. Just that I am not aware of any fires on an SPF with the plastic hose including a Mark III that ran the "One Lap of America" with the standard setup. Is silicone better? Sure but consider what the purchaser wants to do with his car. He will not be running long open track events and driving 10/10s. Autocrossing is unlikely to generate the heat levels needed to radiate enough heat to melt the hose. Obviously the photo is of a serious track beast judging by the rotor and the double cooling hoses.

The advice IS appreciated however some people work on the "I did it to my car so you MUST do it to yours" or "I bought the XYZ sway bar kit and now I can go around the I370 off-ramps at warp speed" without considering what the owner is looking for.
Yes, you did crap on his advice and that's why Morris responded the way he did. We both saw it as crapping on his advice. That's our perception, yours obviously is different.

My shop recommended changing the hoses too, and the Kirkhams don't meander in the fenderwell like that pic shown, and I do not autocross or track my car. Makes perfect sense to me. But please, lets just rely on your vast experience in SPF sales as opoosed to someone who has actually spent time at a track, which is what the OP plans to do.

Detroit Bill 05-11-2015 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1348058)
Yes, you did crap on his advice and that's why Morris responded the way he did. We both saw it as crapping on his advice. That's our perception, yours obviously is different.

My shop recommended changing the hoses too, and the Kirkhams don't meander in the fenderwell like that pic shown, and I do not autocross or track my car. Makes perfect sense to me. But please, lets just rely on your vast experience in SPF sales as opoosed to someone who has actually spent time at a track, which is what the OP plans to do.
Lighten up fella's. Turning a "fun" thread into a pissing contest.

RodKnock 05-11-2015 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rodneym (Post 1347791)
I melted the driver side vent hose on my Kirkham.
One day I look under the hood and I see a spiral skeleton.
The plastic melted toward the sprial and had about 1 ft of useless hose.
Never did smell anything. Maybe it happened during my infamous overheating/hose pop at a Shelby show. :confused:
Bill, Muck tends to "muck up" threads.

Rodneym burned through his venting hose. Morris has seen fires due to cheap hose and the shop that did my install strongly recommended it.

Anytime I see Internet BS, I'm chiming in. :LOL:

Detroit Bill 05-11-2015 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1348060)
Bill, Muck tends to "muck up" threads.

Rodneym burned through his venting hose. Morris has seen fires due to cheap hose and the shop that did my install strongly recommended it.

Anytime I see Internet BS, I'm chiming in. :LOL:
Morris suggested the mans product catches fire and he defended his product.
Shame on him.


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