Texas ASVE Title and the VTR-63 Form?

[SSSammy]

Originally Posted by baker

I might of missed this somewhere in this thread, but.. since we can register the car as exempt from annual inspections and the car is a replica of a 1965/66 .. does that mean that I could use a carb and intake vs say a coyote with EFI, engine with no problems over emissions? I am still in the planning stages of my build.. and this can make a huge difference in the overall cost of the initial project (notice I said "initial".. and we all know there is never a final price until the day you part with the car.. ). I'm in Dallas county.

Yes, many of us, maybe most of us, use carbs since there is no emissions test for a replica 65 car. We used carbs even before this new set of regulations came along. It was just that you had to fail the emissions test, then get a waiver. My Cobra had waivers every year. Now the state doesn't even bother with that.

People in other states that do test emissions are going to Coyotes because they have to pass a test. Somebody out there was even having to install a catalyst.

Sam

[baker]

Thanks for the reply.. that makes my engine choice much easier and fits my original goal of building a car with a small block ford, carburetor and making between 300 and 350 hp. and running headers into muffled side exhaust.
I really wasn't too crazy about the prospect of having a catalyst between an exhaust header and the side exhaust.

[LambChop]

Does anyone have experience applying for a VIN numbe?. My car is a home built with no MSO. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

KM

[BDR0572]

Don't Know if this will help but I went too a FORD Dealer with GT certification from ford for my title for my BDR, seem to go fairly easy with all Ford motor co inspection papers . ask DMV if that Qualifies, they may have what they are asking for in ASE Cert's . did mine in FEB. And I had all the forms printed up my self for them too fill out.

[G-Pete]

Tax Office in Plano TX.

[shark92651]

I'm working on this process now to title/register my newly completed Factory Five MK4. On the Application for Texas Title form 130-U there is a section to calculate tax based on sale price, less trade in, 6.25% tax rate, etc... I would rather avoid the sales tax. Should I just leave all that blank and explain that I purchased all the components myself. I figured I could tell them I declared as "use tax" on my tax forms. What do you think?

[bwcobra15]

Originally Posted by shark92651

I'm working on this process now to title/register my newly completed Factory Five MK4. On the Application for Texas Title form 130-U there is a section to calculate tax based on sale price, less trade in, 6.25% tax rate, etc... I would rather avoid the sales tax. Should I just leave all that blank and explain that I purchased all the components myself. I figured I could tell them I declared as "use tax" on my tax forms. What do you think?

In box 37 of form 130-U, I checked the box that reads: "Exemption claimed under the Motor Vehicle Sales and Use Tax Law because:"

and then I wrote in "VEHICLE IS ASSEMBLED FROM ALL NEW COMPONENTS"

in box 20 for Previous Owner Name I put "ASSEMBLED"

on the signature line for Seller(s) Printed Name I put "ASSEMBLED"

hope that helps.

[SSSammy]

Bob is exactly correct. A careful reading of the Motor Vehicle Tax code will confirm that the *first* time a new Assembled Vehicle is titled/registered, no tax is due. Subsequent sales of this car will be taxable.

The presumption on the part of the state is that you paid any sales tax due on the components when you purchased them. FFR may decide to charge customers tax on the kits at some point, but I have not heard of it.

You're not being sneaky, you do not owe sales tax on this kit car. If the county tries to charge you tax, ask for the supervisor.

Good luck!
Sam

[RockBit]

Originally Posted by SSSammy

A careful reading of the Motor Vehicle Tax code will confirm that the *first* time a new Assembled Vehicle is titled/registered, no tax is due. Subsequent sales of this car will be taxable.

Sam

I wish I had known that when I titled my car. The supervisor asked me if I had paid sales tax on the purchase and I answered honestly with a no. I then got a hickey for a few thousand.

[shark92651]

Originally Posted by bwcobra15

In box 37 of form 130-U, I checked the box that reads: "Exemption claimed under the Motor Vehicle Sales and Use Tax Law because:"

and then I wrote in "VEHICLE IS ASSEMBLED FROM ALL NEW COMPONENTS"

in box 20 for Previous Owner Name I put "ASSEMBLED"

on the signature line for Seller(s) Printed Name I put "ASSEMBLED"

hope that helps.

Thanks I had missed that checkbox. I will reprint the form with these changes.

[shark92651]

All the information in this thread was invaluable to get through this process. On Monday I took all my information to the Tax office in Frisco and 20 minutes later I was out of there with my registration sticker and my 60 day paper tags. I paid no sales tax and they said I should get my title and plates in the mail in about 3-4 weeks. I paid a total of $141.00, which includes the $40 for the personalized plates.

[BlueTyler]

Hey y'all, new member here. I live out in Weatherford and my cobra is being built right now in California. Reading through all this great information, it seems I theoretically could get my vehicle titled and registered in Texas without even needing it in the state to do so, Does this seem correct?

Reason being is I plan on having it the vehicle of state for a while and would like to save costs of shipping to Texas and back for the title and registration process, but if I have to I guess I will.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by BlueTyler

Hey y'all, new member here. I live out in Weatherford and my cobra is being built right now in California. Reading through all this great information, it seems I theoretically could get my vehicle titled and registered in Texas without even needing it in the state to do so, Does this seem correct?

Reason being is I plan on having it the vehicle of state for a while and would like to save costs of shipping to Texas and back for the title and registration process, but if I have to I guess I will.

I could see how you could do that with a modern type vehicle, like following the process for a military person or student that is a Texas resident but living out of state,

However, the Cobra probably needs all sorts of inspections that probably can't be accomplished unless the car is at the DMV to get things like the new VIN (if required, but you get the gist).

I'd call your state DMV office for the rules. Don't depend on the local guys for this one.

[SSSammy]

Local guy here ... and the OP. No, if you want a TX title for a new ASVE you have to have the car physically inspected in TX by the ASE Certified Master Technician called for on the VTR-852 form (plus all the other forms and exhibits discussed further back in this thread).

Or if you were bringing in a Cali titled pre-owned car, it would still need a regular TX state inspection if something other than an ASVE.

Sam

[BlueTyler]

Originally Posted by SSSammy

Local guy here ... and the OP. No, if you want a TX title for a new ASVE you have to have the car physically inspected in TX by the ASE Certified Master Technician called for on the VTR-852 form (plus all the other forms and exhibits discussed further back in this thread).

Or if you were bringing in a Cali titled pre-owned car, it would still need a regular TX state inspection if something other than an ASVE.

Sam

I don’t see anywhere on VTR 852 that says it needs to be a Texas based ASE Certified Master Tech A1 - A8, just an ASE Certified Master Tech with A1 - A8. The other forms listed don’t specifically say they need to be completed in Texas either. I know this is a weird circumstance, and correct me if I’m missing this in my reading of the forms.

[SSSammy]

Originally Posted by BlueTyler

I don’t see anywhere on VTR 852 that says it needs to be a Texas based ASE Certified Master Tech A1 - A8, just an ASE Certified Master Tech with A1 - A8. The other forms listed don’t specifically say they need to be completed in Texas either. I know this is a weird circumstance, and correct me if I’m missing this in my reading of the forms.

I see your point, we've never had this scenario as far as I know. Caveat: TX title clerks and the DMV reps do not have much experience with replicas. So expect variations from one office to another. Give one of the DMV centers a call. Nothing to lose there. Do get a copy of the ASE inspector certificate showing current status in each of the 8 areas.



But, if you are planning on ending up in Cali anyway, why not just submit to SB100 process and title it out there. Be easier to sell it later ...


Sam

[BlueTyler]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

I'd call your state DMV office for the rules. Don't depend on the local guys for this one.

Thanks, will do.

[BlueTyler]

Definitely NOT ending up in California, that’s just insane to think of moving there. Cobra is being built there so it will just sit at my dad’s house for me to drive when I visit family and for the builder to show. And definitely not going to be selling it. Builder said he’d take care of SB100 so I’ll just let him do that process and then I’ll trailer it to TX at some point soon

[Emptybox]

I just purchased a used 2008 Superformance from a local Plano resident. I am also in Plano. He signed over the title to me which has the following
Year Model = 2008
Make of Vehicle = ASVE
Remark(s)= Replica: (1965 COBR)

Now do I have to go through all the items listed in this thread and register and title as a custom vehicle or is that not required. I want to make sure that when the yearly inspection is due the inspection isn’t requiring emissions testing. Also on the Form 130-U what do I fill out for the Year, Make and Model?

Thanks

[SSSammy]

Originally Posted by Emptybox

I just purchased a used 2008 Superformance from a local Plano resident. I am also in Plano. He signed over the title to me which has the following
Year Model = 2008
Make of Vehicle = ASVE
Remark(s)= Replica: (1965 COBR)

Now do I have to go through all the items listed in this thread and register and title as a custom vehicle or is that not required. I want to make sure that when the yearly inspection is due the inspection isn’t requiring emissions testing. Also on the Form 130-U what do I fill out for the Year, Make and Model?

Thanks

You have a correct Texas 2008 ASVE title for this car as is, so your title process is simple, transfer the ownership on the 130-U.

Second thing is to *register* it as a *Custom Vehicle* which requires the VTR-852 Inspection by an ASE Master Techician current in categories A1-A8. This is a unique inspection for replica cars and is NOT the usual TX State annual inspection. You do not do the regular TX State inspection on a Custom Vehicle. It will never get inspected again as long as it has Custom Vehicle plates. This step is required every time this replica car changes owners.

So get the VTR-852 inspection done by the ASE Master. Some Firestone and Christian Brothers locations have these guys. Call first. Make them confirm the currency in A1-A8.

From here I am not sure whether it can all be done at the county tag office, or if you have to make an appointment at DMV in Carrollton. New titles have to start there, but you are not new. I'd start at Collin Cty Tax Assessor. Bring title, bill of sale, insurance card, 130-U, 852, ASE's Certificate, checkbook and see what happens. Btw, you can take your insurance card in first and get a 30 day buyer tag so you're legal to drive to the ASE guy.

Good Luck!