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Old 09-21-2008, 10:20 PM
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Okay my bad, I did not now that no matter what fluid you ran it was blowing seals, how many miles did it take to do this or was it from the get go.I have 2500, miles on mine and I drive it very hard, no leaks.
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Old 09-21-2008, 10:55 PM
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A lot of us running Chev Gen3s down under are using the T56 with it's Hydraulic Throwout bearing setup. I believe their HTO is made by AP (There was an AP in the casting of one I removed).

They do tend to turn the fluid black but I'm not sure why. It hasn't affacted the performance yet and it's pretty easy to flush the fluid through.

We've had couple of problems with them. The first was the size of the line from the M/C to the HTO. Most of us are running braided lines and initially used #3 Line. This was to restrictive and slowed the fluid returning to the M?C after releasing the clutch. The clutch would slip a bit until the returning fluid was pushed back. Switching to a #4 line fixed this problem.

Finding a M/C to suit was a problem too. You need about 11 or 12cc of fluid to disengage the clutch. Most have settled on a 1" bore cylinder. I found a 7/8" with a slightly longer stroke and it works great. The pedal is light which is important for me as my left knee is stuffed. I've also got a heavier after market pressure plate and coper/ceramic puck style clutch.

There's no adjustment on these HTO setups though so adapting them up to another application would mean machining shims etc. As your clutch wears your engagment point will change. The original pressureplates where self adjusting but that has proved troublesome. A adjustable pedal is a better solution.



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I never understood the desire to use a hydraulic clutch when cable clutches work flawlessly year after year, no, make that decade after decade. They are easy to adjust, easy to install, never leak, never break, and no fluid to bleed or change.

Now I could see that the use of a hydraulic clutch might outweigh all of these disadvanteges if they WORKED BETTER. But they don't! They do not function any better than a cable clutch.

I am really puzzled by all of this.


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Okay my bad, I did not now that no matter what fluid you ran it was blowing seals, how many miles did it take to do this or was it from the get go.I have 2500, miles on mine and I drive it very hard, no leaks.
Usually we only got 200-1000 miles out of them before the seals disintegrated. Hard driving doesn't have anything to do with it as everyone pretty much drives their cars pretty hard--why else would you own a cobra

I must say, I have never heard of a Tilton failure. All of our problems have been with the McLeod units. Also, I must add, I have a McLeod unit in my car that has been in for around 10 years with no problems at all. We isolated (we think) the problem to McLeod units that were made about 5 years ago and younger. The old units didn't seem to have the seal problem. As for what they make today, I really can't say if the seals are good or bad but there is NO WAY I am going to find out (except for checking this board for a poor soul who didn't heed our advise).

After losing thousands and thousands of dollars pulling transmissions out of cars to figure out what the problem was, we gave up and utterly REFUSE to use a McLeod hydraulic throw out bearing, period. (Tilton, is another story and we would use them, but ONLY if we absolutely HAD to.)

But, the internal units make the pedal extremely heavy. Those people who say the internal unit makes for an easier pedal were not using the system we developed. The throw out bearing system we developed is far, far easier to push than any hydraulic unit I have ever dealt with. In fact, it is so much easier that we re-engineered the system to work on the billet chassis car we are making. We originally put a Tilton unit in the billet car because of extreme space constraints, but after driving the car on the track I said that Tilton, bear-trap monster had to GO!

As for fluid, DOT 3 vs. DOT 4, I have no idea--I always thought DOT 4 was DOT 3 compatible as well. Personally, I think McLeod was feeding me a line and they probably had no idea what was going on when they told us to switch from DOT 4 to DOT 3. Like I said, we finally called our buddies at Ford and they directed us to Parker. We talked to a Parker seals engineer and he was the one who told us about sulfur vs. steam cured ethylene-propylene o-rings.

As for using normal hydraulic fluid, we did think about that, but there is a MAJOR problem. NO ONE thinks to put hydraulic fluid in their clutch...they only think to put in brake fluid. Eventually, we would have had a BIG problem. So, we solved the problem by BANNING the McLeod hydraulic unit from the the shop.

Now, I have to say that we still recommend McLeod clutches, flywheels, and pressure plates--but their customer service has gone to crap since my good friend Red Roberts sold the company. It is really sad. I wish they were better.

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And for anyone who doesn't believe me that the external system is easier to push...

Notice we went to the extreme and re-engineered the system so it would fit in the billet chassis car. I didn't want the customer to be driving down the PCH one day and get stuck in a traffic jam. After a charlie horse or 2, he would have called a tow truck and then sent me free tickets to a Taliban water boarding "interview" somewhere in the back woods of Afghanistan.

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All of our problems have been with the McLeod units. Also, I must add, I have a McLeod unit in my car that has been in for around 10 years with no problems at all. We isolated (we think) the problem to McLeod units that were made about 5 years ago and younger. The old units didn't seem to have the seal problem

Now, I have to say that we still recommend McLeod clutches, flywheels, and pressure plates--but their customer service has gone to crap since my good friend Red Roberts sold the company.

A friend of mine has a spf from 1996, # 46 or so, and he has had problems with his, twice, so he changed his last year to an external set-up. Yours maybe a ticking time bomb.

how long ago did red sell his company?
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