Shelby little involvement in creating the Cobra

[mhs6631]

C. Shelby marketed the car and raced. The design and manufacturing was ac and ford. Only after kit cars popularized the design did Shelby want to get back into making money off the Cobra. Maybe way too much credit goes to him for the car. The Shelby mustang is a different story as is the series 1 and his efforts to capitalise on his name with Chrysler.

[CobraEd]

Originally Posted by mhs6631

C. Shelby marketed the car and raced. The design and manufacturing was ac and ford. Only after kit cars popularized the design did Shelby want to get back into making money off the Cobra. Maybe way too much credit goes to him for the car. The Shelby mustang is a different story as is the series 1 and his efforts to capitalise on his name with Chrysler.

I think this is the guy who wrote the article !!!


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[GTA]

It seems that who writes the book makes the history.Roger

[Great Asp]

Originally Posted by GTA

It seems that who writes the book makes the history.Roger

I'm not a Shelby nutswinger at all, but wasn't he in the hunt for a small car to dump a V8 into? I thought he had some trial and error getting a car, and then found the AC. Have I got that right?

If so, you'd have to give him respect for the car since he built them at his shop.

E

[McD00]

Originally Posted by Great Asp

I'm not a Shelby nutswinger at all, but wasn't he in the hunt for a small car to dump a V8 into? I thought he had some trial and error getting a car, and then found the AC. Have I got that right?

If so, you'd have to give him respect for the car since he built them at his shop.

E

Yep your right eric. Ol CS is the fahter of the kit car. If it wasn't for him the kit car industry wuld be a much different place and we all would be driving vega's.
At least he was smart enough to put in a small block, it all went to sh!t when they decided to drop in a FE Dont make me go there

McVette

[CobraEd]

Someone who knows about Wikipedia should fix it. I have no idea how to change the wrong info reflecting all the AC crap.

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[1985 CCX]

Trevor
You are right that AC was profitable but I have read it was in other areas of business not cars. Correct me please....

Tom,
Someday we will write about KMS, and yes there are a great number of people involved at making the company a success, however you will get the credit as your family pulled it all together starting in Poland, then Utah, then your facility and hopefully one in my garage some day.

CS did surround himself with talent but I would argue so do all successful ventures/business men and women. CS was the Team Leader thus the credit goes to him. Sal is right, without CS in the day we all may be writing about the Rover powered ACE.

[BDHE]

Originally Posted by Great Asp

I'm not a Shelby nutswinger at all, but wasn't he in the hunt for a small car to dump a V8 into? I thought he had some trial and error getting a car, and then found the AC. Have I got that right?

If so, you'd have to give him respect for the car since he built them at his shop.

E

Geat Asp;

I think the saying is "Whomever wins the war writes the history books". And, so far, 'Ol $hell's legal machine is undefeated.

Bryon

P.S. I paid to have me dash autographed by Mr. Shelby. Does that make me part of the problem?

[Great Asp]

Originally Posted by BDHE

Geat Asp;

I think the saying is "Whomever wins the war writes the history books". And, so far, 'Ol $hell's legal machine is undefeated.

Bryon

P.S. I paid to have me dash autographed by Mr. Shelby. Does that make me part of the problem?

LOL, no it does not make you part of the problem.

To me, anyone that gets anything signed by Shel has their own reasons for it. Not really my concern to pass judgement on that, and it might make your car worth more. (I dunno)

I have not been a Shelby fan for a lot of reasons that I will not go into. But I personally would have to give him the credit for the little Cobra, as well as other products and events (the above mentioned LeMans win as an example).

It could be said, and reasonably so, that without certain people on the team (either helping or directing) that the results might have been mixed. Yet here we are and things are the way they are.

After all, what does the CS in CSX stand for?

My opinion only, no haters plz.

E

PS McD00, we have all seen your posts. You need new material. Instead of typing the same thing over and over again just refer to the following number system:

1. I sold my SPF to get a roof (and it leaks)
2. FE's are junk
3. I was run into on a parking lot

So now you can post much faster like this.

My "3", caused "1", and a throw in a #"2" for good measure. We will all know what you are talking about.....for a change.

[A-Snake]

Originally Posted by Great Asp

After all, what does the CS in CSX stand for?

uh...just an FYI, the C in CSX does not stand for Carroll. Just as the C in COX or COB does not stand for Carroll.

[Cobrabill]

[quote=BDHE; And, so far, 'Ol $hell's legal machine is undefeated./QUOTE]

You would be wrong as both FFR and Superformance beat the chicken farmer in court.

[CHANMADD]

Originally Posted by Great Asp

I'm not a Shelby nutswinger at all, but wasn't he in the hunt for a small car to dump a V8 into? I thought he had some trial and error getting a car, and then found the AC. Have I got that right?

If so, you'd have to give him respect for the car since he built them at his shop.

E

I hate to break it o you ..but the cars were shipped fully constructed , even with a soft top on. All the Shelby team did was install engine and transmission.
then they went racing. Much like today ...the Mustangs arrive at the Shelby facility.....(note its not a factory )... fully complete from the Ford factory.
The Shelby workshop then removes parts and swaps them with others ....to end with a Shelby Mustang...

[1985 CCX]

As with any business there are a multitude of talents that are responsible for the execution of ideas however the top brass gets the rewards.....

I would suggest that CS, purely speculative, was going to use any car he could capitalize on which turned out to be AC. After Chevy turned him down on motors he approached Ford. The Ace was not a Shelby design however he was able to manage a 1950's designed AC car powered by Ford to compete with the best in the world. Did he redesign the 427 S/C from the 289 in an afternoon, probably not. Did he use his designers and mechanics to build a 289 that could support the SO, I presume so. CS made history dealing with a little car company in England on the brink of closure and the corporate giant Ford. He was responsible for funding, the racing teams, and sales and marketing. He is indeed what made them a success and made history as well.

Did he sketch the initial body of CSX3002 out on a cocktail napkin at dinner and then go pound out the aluminum form himself at SAI. Not sure? I can say at my company there is not one man responsible as it is a team effort and I would guess that was true in the 60's with all the credit going to the man = CS. He said himself in an interview he wanted to build 100 cars just to have a shot at racing, he ended up making history.

[Cobrabill]

[quote=1985 CCX; He is indeed what made them a success and made history as well. [/QUOTE]

Bullcrap-the people he hired to design,build it and race it are the ones responsible for the cars success & history.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

Bullcrap-the people he hired to design,build it and race it are the ones responsible for the cars success & history.

You can't rewrite history.... like it or not, he made it happen by pulling the right people together and having the vision to see it through.