Cammer parts.

[cycleguy55]

I agree that 'naming and shaming' has little or no value in solving a problem. OTOH, naming and shaming may, perhaps, provide a bit of consumer protection by providing awareness to others - even if that information isn't always completely objective and is certainly anecdotal, not empirical.

As to actually solving a problem, it would help if posts were restricted to 'solution oriented' recommendations, information or assistance but, based upon recent CC history, I have little faith this is possible.

Just my $0.02.

[philminotti]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

I agree that 'naming and shaming' has little or no value in solving a problem.

Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. If an aggrieved party has attempted in good faith to solve a problem, then 'naming and shaming' has a place, even in civilized society. Consumer protection is important as well. And if a business is unfairly dragged through the mud, then they can sue for libel. They should and they do.

Amazon and ebay ask you to rate your experiences. Have you ever used Chowhound, Urbanspoon or Yelp to pick a restaurant? I Google every product and service I purchase followed by the word "review". This is valuable to everyone, including the injured party. How about the dealer who wrecked a brand new customer Camaro and gave the guy the runaround until it became national news? Got resolved pretty damn quick after that.

Doesn't anyone remember POP's engines, for chrissakes? They'd still be around if it wasn't for 'naming and shaming' on another site.

Even in my own business (I'm a doctor), patients post reviews in online review services. I've had a few less than glowing reviews show up, and you better believe I'd get on the phone and try to do whatever I could to improve the situation.

If a vendor wants the business that the internet can deliver, then they have to be prepared to deal with customers posting their experiences, good and bad.

JMHO.

Actually, I take it back. It's not just my opinion. These are the facts of modern business.

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by philminotti

Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. If an aggrieved party has attempted in good faith to solve a problem, then 'naming and shaming' has a place, even in civilized society. Consumer protection is important as well. And if a business is unfairly dragged through the mud, then they can sue for libel. They should and they do.

Amazon and ebay ask you to rate your experiences. Have you ever used Chowhound, Urbanspoon or Yelp to pick a restaurant? I Google every product and service I purchase followed by the word "review". This is valuable to everyone, including the injured party. How about the dealer who wrecked a brand new customer Camaro and gave the guy the runaround until it became national news? Got resolved pretty damn quick after that.

Doesn't anyone remember POP's engines, for chrissakes? They'd still be around if it wasn't for 'naming and shaming' on another site.

Even in my own business (I'm a doctor), patients post reviews in online review services. I've had a few less than glowing reviews show up, and you better believe I'd get on the phone and try to do whatever I could to improve the situation.

If a vendor wants the business that the internet can deliver, then they have to be prepared to deal with customers posting their experiences, good and bad.

JMHO.

Actually, I take it back. It's not just my opinion. These are the facts of modern business.

Your response attempts to counter my statement of not solving the problem, but is really about consumer awareness and protection.

I hope you do a better job listening to your patients and diagnosing their problems than you did dissecting and responding to what I wrote.