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Originally Posted by Rebel1
Ok Mr. Doubledip esquire. You invited the responses...this is mine:
It takes a $hitload of money to build a cobra. So much so that I very much doubt that any builder will ever take his LS? to a back yard tuner. Our cars are not off the showroom holdens or HSV's that are familiar to tuners. Further more, who is to say the mail order tune is correct given the variety of CAI's/fuel pressure/headers or whatever other variables are used in the build. It may be close, but not perfect.
So there should be an expectation by the tuner that a cobra will eventually find it's way to a dyno in a locale handy to the owner.
I'm going to tell you this short and sweet (your terms). If I spend money with any supplier then what I buy becomes my property. I have paid for all the "hard earned knowledge/IP" involved, within the price. From that time forward if I wish to take my car to another tuner then it is my perogative to do what I wish with who I wish.
Let me also say this .... I spend money with suppliers who come across to potential clients as having the clients interests at heart. If you reflect on your own purchasing decisions I'll bet they don't differ much from mine.
So why do some folks in business have an attitude to tell potential clients what they can or cant do with their own property?. Because they are all so bound up in their own perceived importance/hard earned knowledge/ip etc., that they forget the needs of the client.
Keep in mind that nothing, absolutely nothing, happens in any business until some-one buys something. You can have the best tunes in the world but if you are difficult to deal with, you will eventually run out of clients
You might like to keep the last paragraph in mind.
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With your response i dont know where to start....
"It takes a $hitload of money to build a cobra. So much so that I very much doubt that any builder will ever take his LS? to a back yard tuner.
Our cars are not off the showroom holdens or HSV's that are familiar to tuners. "
this bit here about your cobras are not off the showroom floor etc.. making it sound like some sort of super duper special car ... do you forget we are talking about a
tune in a HOLDEN LS1 ENGINE ?????... the engine couldnt care what car it is in..
"Further more, who is to say the mail order tune is correct given the variety of CAI's/fuel pressure/headers or whatever other variables are used in the build. It may be close, but not perfect"
in response to the above you must have had your eye's closed when you read mine - "If you planned on having it tuned further on down the track you really should have done more research and checked with possible tuners you were likely to be able to get the car to and ask them to put in a running tune with them having the knowledge of you taking the car to them for the final dyno tune - you would have been far happier."
keep in mind the last paragraph????? --- Keep in mind that nothing, absolutely nothing, happens in any business until some-one buys something. You can have the best tunes in the world but if you are difficult to deal with, you will eventually run out of clients
i didnt see anywhere in Dan's responses him being difficult... Boxhead had a problem... rang Dan... Dan said send ECU to me and i will put back to standard so you can tune it with VCM. no difficulties.. no extra charge for that. I understand that right there and then it could not happen but he was still willing to do. It was even stated on the other forum that if the tuner had EFI Live that dan could have helped over the phone and got them going.
As for Boxhead not getting what he wanted i think he did .. He ordered a mail order tune and recieved a mail order tune. As for the not knowing or requesting it to be locked and him wanting to be able to tune it... know one knows what was said at the time of call/transaction except boxhead and dan. Just as much as Boxhead said he told Dan it was going to be tuned Dan could feel the same way about saying He told Boxhead no one else can tune it unless i put the standard tune back in. - its just one of those things...
With all of this forum *****ing which a fair few of you like to do and get up on you high horse and let rip .. all i am trying to say is you should never bad mouth a business on a public place like this.. there is no need unless someone has blindly ripped you off. (ie you payed dan money for him to send you a ecu/tune and you never physically recieved anything) . If you feel the need to warn others then do so just dont name names it is not needed. This sort of carry on hurts businesses and if the business suffers cause of a few words said by the keyboard warriors who may not at the time have understood or heard or even cared what the tuner was saying to them over the phone then that is unfair on them.
and boxhead says i have dragged it up again after the LS1 forum ???? your the one who started this thread.. so i didnt drag anything up again.
As for you being banned from the LS1 forum.. maybe yes for continually questioning the forum sponsor about something , but may have been best dealt over the phone to him again once you had got home from the nationals.. I for one wouldnt have banned you... you were slowly digging yourself a hole over there with the carry on so it was fun to read.
And as Plums has just replied he understands where some one with a business is coming from and understands that certain tuning tweaks etc.. of the LSX ECU's is more than just the normal wolf and haltech tune.
once again flame away.. but take a deep breath first and think about what is the issue here... not ganging up and taking sides... and then just having a dig back at me..